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jazza374
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The information came from the First fleet manager and was confirmed by him on Facebook posts several times. And I’m happy to be corrected but do First not insure the vehicles with themselves?? An insurance company set up by First purely for this purpose.
The changes are now on the website. Everything seems to be there except when you click on the 7/7A timetable it takes you to the 6/6A. The other strange move is that the 38E is extended to Rouken Glen again in place of the 38C.
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Service Changes from Sunday 5 February 2023
From Sunday 5th February, a selection of changes will be in place across our network. These changes will allow us to offer a more consistent service across the city for our customers. Designed to release driver resource, to allow us to help improve reliability and performance, we are continuing...
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Yes First are self insured.
Also the end of (all/some?) the SPT services confirmedThe changes are now on the website. Everything seems to be there except when you click on the 7/7A timetable it takes you to the 6/6A. The other strange move is that the 38E is extended to Rouken Glen again in place of the 38C.
Service Changes from Sunday 5 February 2023
From Sunday 5th February, a selection of changes will be in place across our network. These changes will allow us to offer a more consistent service across the city for our customers. Designed to release driver resource, to allow us to help improve reliability and performance, we are continuing...
That'll be most of them gone now. The 7A, 11, 65 and 71A are the main 4 left that I can think of and even at that the 11 and 71A are the only two that are all SPT subsidised journeys. The 7A has evening and Sunday journeys and it's the 65 Sunday service that is subsidised.
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I heard a whisper that Dumbarton is getting the 81 from Scotstoun when they get the 50 Enviro 200s.
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GusB
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Any responses to the question above should be made in this thread:
SPT Tendered Routes
*Mod note* Posts 1-34 were originally in this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/first-greater-glasgow.164437/ https://www.firstgroup.com/greater-glasgow/news-and-service-updates/planned-changes/changes-spt-tendered-services-sunday-12 SPT changes announced too now. 31 absolutely...
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I've noticed on Twitter from a Glasgow councillor Alexander Belic (my phone won't let me link the tweet) that First are meeting with councillors in the City Chambers on Friday to discuss issues with their local services. I don't know how councillors expect that to go but I don't really see it achieving very much as First can't control traffic levels that are constantly increasing and they've done better than realistically expected with getting new staff in given that the whole UK is short of drivers.
Tom Gallacher
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Their loss adjuster must have the easiest job in the world.
Given that we now have the new timetables for the changes, will the Blantyre/Overtown changes follow them in targeting evening and Sunday cuts more than anything else? The 10, 38C and 64 are the ones that are the exception to this along with the 7A although the timetable still isn't available.
I actually think it's the best way to go in the current situation. Peak services absolutely have to take priority and off peak services during the day have definitely picked up in comparison to evening services from what I've experienced. I wouldn't be surprised if we seen more cuts to evening services other than a few key services across the full network.
I actually think it's the best way to go in the current situation. Peak services absolutely have to take priority and off peak services during the day have definitely picked up in comparison to evening services from what I've experienced. I wouldn't be surprised if we seen more cuts to evening services other than a few key services across the full network.
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I photographed it in Renfield Street on the 267 that afternoon (14:31), so certainly would have been in the area.
JumpinTrainz
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37533 - SF08SNJ (Thorntons)
Seen leaving First Glasgow's Caledonia Depot is Wright Eclipse Gemini bodied Volvo B9TL 37533 - SF08SNJ on the back of a low loader for Thornton's vehicle refurbishers.
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Not my photo but is it known how many buses are being done?
44463 - YX59BYA, 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY
Taken from Cathcart Road looking into Caledonia Depot is five of the amassed second hand Alexander Dennis Enviro 200s from RATP London. Identifiable is 44463 - YX58BYA 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY.
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Also not my phot0 (from same account as above post), the 2nd hand Enviro 200s at Caledonia, any idea if these are staying at this depot or are planned to be used elsewhere?
90sWereBetter
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Surprisingly, 37533 is going to be an open-top conversion for Eastern Counties, to replace their Euro2 Dennis Trident on the Great Yarmouth seafront services. One of the higher-ups for Eastern Counties confirmed this in the Firstbus Enthusiasts group on Facebook.37533 - SF08SNJ (Thorntons)
Seen leaving First Glasgow's Caledonia Depot is Wright Eclipse Gemini bodied Volvo B9TL 37533 - SF08SNJ on the back of a low loader for Thornton's vehicle refurbishers.
Not my photo but is it known how many buses are being done?
Looking at Bustimes, there's now only around 10 buses left in Olympia livery, mostly B9TLs from the earliest batch new in mid 2007.
Dfatcontroller
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With digital wing mirrors, perhaps its best at Caledonia.
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44463 - YX59BYA, 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY
Taken from Cathcart Road looking into Caledonia Depot is five of the amassed second hand Alexander Dennis Enviro 200s from RATP London. Identifiable is 44463 - YX58BYA 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY.
Also not my phot0 (from same account as above post), the 2nd hand Enviro 200s at Caledonia, any idea if these are staying at this depot or are planned to be used elsewhere?
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The events service for the Hydro has had a cancellation registered too now for March. I'd imagine it could be a decent money maker but in the current situation it's a waste of resources.
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FIRST GLASGOW (NO1) LTD
Route: City Centre, West Regent Street to S.E.C / The SSE Hydro via Congress Road, Congress Way, Lancefield Quay, Anderston Quay, Broomielaw, Oswald Street, Hope Street, West Regent Street.
Service number: X5
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 18 Mar 2023
To be honest, I have heard a few rumours about these but I'm not sure what to believe. I heard this week they were going to Blantyre for the 226 but then they were also going to Overtown to replace short E200MMCs so not sure. I think time will tell what happens with them.44463 - YX59BYA, 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY
Taken from Cathcart Road looking into Caledonia Depot is five of the amassed second hand Alexander Dennis Enviro 200s from RATP London. Identifiable is 44463 - YX58BYA 44443 - YX09HJV & 44444 - YX09HJY.
Also not my phot0 (from same account as above post), the 2nd hand Enviro 200s at Caledonia, any idea if these are staying at this depot or are planned to be used elsewhere?
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Glasgowbusguy
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The x19 serves the Hydro and Is a normal fare.
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That's why I'm surprised that the X5 was fairly busy whenever I seen it. I do wonder if the Hampden event bus (X31) will also go in order to not waste resources given that Hampden Park is so well served by other buses.
AndrewTaylor95
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Doesn't serve the Hydro directly, takes a right onto the Broomielaw and serves the first bus stop, only served the Hyrdo briefly when it was used as a vaccination center.
JumpinTrainz
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I think that was only the case if they were going to Manchester but First didn’t win the bid so that’s not happening now.
I think the other things that will dictate a lot of the fleet movements are how well the Yutongs do when they get to Aberdeen and how quickly Alexander Dennis bring out electric buses with better ranges for mileage. For me personally, the Yutong E12s are very decent buses that are pretty comfortable too. I think they'd be very good for here.
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I’m hoping first realise they’ve made a mistake with the range of the E200EVs and order some Yutongs. Especially for Lanarkshire services when the time comes.
It'll be interesting to see how the E200EVs do with the 2, 3 and 6 at Scotstoun too. They're long routes with long operating times so it'll be tough to make them last.
I think if they struggle there it'll bring a change of tactic with other types of buses coming into the network. I'm not sure when Alexander Dennis plan on releasing their next buses with better ranges but I'm sure First will be all over them immediately as they're supposed to have far better ranges than the current buses.
From what I can find the next E400EV will have a range of 260 miles and the E100EV will have a range of 285 miles and that's a massive improvement given the needs of our network. I don't think they'll go near the E100EV due to the capacity being low but that's the difference in range increase from the first electric vehicles to the newest ones coming this year.
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Glasgowbusguy
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The E100 could be ideal for some short services or even to replace any Solos, or simliar that are still kicking about if any.
I think it's the capacity that will be the non-starter in Glasgow to be honest. They supposedly only have up to 25 seats with 20 standing. Given the demographic of who uses the smaller routes here I don't think they'd like the idea of standing. Our shortest routes aren't really near the Low Emissions Zone either.
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I wonder if ordering some E100s for Lanarkshire when they eventually get charging ports would be a possibility. If First were toying with the idea of completely redeploying all of their newest E200MMCs to Manchester if they won franchise bid then I’d say the chances of them doing something drastically like that again won’t be off the cards.
I imagine the E200MMCs will be marked to modernise the fleet elsewhere. Perhaps giving Lanarkshire local services some electric wouldn’t be so far fetched. Although I just hope when it comes to the Glasgow - Lanarkshire services they order Yutongs.
Does anyone know how many savings these cuts at Caledonia and Scotstoun make combined with the SPT tender cuts?
On another note, the Lanarkshire changes are beginning to appear on VOSA. I'm surprised that there is so few changes to be honest in Lanarkshire on the commercial front. I'm thinking this may be down to the tenders in the area going too leaving First with no Lanarkshire tenders at all.
On another note, the Lanarkshire changes are beginning to appear on VOSA. I'm surprised that there is so few changes to be honest in Lanarkshire on the commercial front. I'm thinking this may be down to the tenders in the area going too leaving First with no Lanarkshire tenders at all.
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