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First class on trains with no first class timetabled

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Mike395

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Only exception is on Advance/operator-specific tickets :) (in the case you describe, the latter is theoretically possible) - but even so Im not sure they could sell a new ticket, they'd only be entitled to charge an excess.
 
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Bloody hell, the world has gone mad if you're sold a standard class ticket when in possession of a first class one!

Mind you, my mum took a FCC train and used a ticket machine - so inadvertently bought a first class single thinking it said the name of the service (bet a few people do that). A revenue officer didn't make her buy a new ticket but DID point out that she could use first class and told her where it was!
 

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Or there is the other way round, customer travelling Sheffield to Manchester today, buys a first class ticket and the inadvertantly boards the east midlands service. Guard told him ticket not valid as no fc on his train and sold him standard day single.

That is absurd.
 

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Right the NRCoC have this to say on the matter:

38. Travelling in standard class accommodation with a first class ticket

If you have a first class ticket (or the equivalent) and the first class accommodation (or the equivalent) shown in the National Rail timetable is not available on any train you travel in, you may claim a refund of the difference in price between the first class and the standard class ticket for the relevant part of your journey.

So that guard is very very wrong by my reading of that and the passenger could claim for a refund on the new ticket and their first class ticket!
 

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Or there is the other way round, customer travelling Sheffield to Manchester today, buys a first class ticket and the inadvertantly boards the east midlands service. Guard told him ticket not valid as no fc on his train and sold him standard day single.
I think this needs reporting. Are you prepared to write to EMT? I would encourage (in fact, urge) you to do so. The main purpose of your letter would obviously not be compensation/refunds (as that would be for the customer in question) but purely and simply to request that staff are adequately trained. Please ask them if they are prepared to give a date for when the training will be given by. I strongly encourage you to do this. If you are prepared to write a letter but are struggling for the words, I am happy to draft it for you, please send me a PM with as much info as possible and I'll reply with what is hopefully a well-worded letter.
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Right the NRCoC have this to say on the matter:

So that guard is very very wrong by my reading of that and the passenger could claim for a refund on the new ticket and their first class ticket!
Sadly not; the service in question is not advertised to convey FC accommodation.

The customer is, however, obviously entitled to a full refund on the ticket that he was incorrectly forced to purchase, plus I believe suitable compensation for the inconvenience, and a full apology and a promise that steps will be made to ensure that guards will be adequately trained in this area in future.
 

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Or there is the other way round, customer travelling Sheffield to Manchester today, buys a first class ticket and the inadvertantly boards the east midlands service. Guard told him ticket not valid as no fc on his train and sold him standard day single.

100% wrong, that is appalling.
 

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customer travelling Sheffield to Manchester today, buys a first class ticket and the inadvertantly boards the east midlands service. Guard told him ticket not valid as no fc on his train and sold him standard day single.
That is not appropriate if the ticket is route Any Permitted. But I suspect the ticket held may have been a First Class Advance single route AP TPE Only.

If so, the guard would have been right to tell the passenger that the ticket was not valid. But the reason would have been that their ticket was only valid in conjunction with a reservation, and they were not travelling on the service shown on their reservation.
 
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