FGW receive LM cascade

[northwichcat]

It's been reported on another forum that 150108 and 150126 have been sent from LM to FGW.

 

[Turbostar]

That's correct, that'll be the second batch of 150/1s to be transferred from LM to FGW.

150101 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150102 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150106 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150108 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150120 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Gospel Oak - Barking 2000**
150121 EZ FGB EFHQ AT FG Silver Star**
150122 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150123 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Willesden TMD**
150124 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150125 TS CTL EJSH AT LM
150126 TS WMD EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150127 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Bletchley TMD**
150128 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Bedford-Bamberg 30**
150129 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Marston Vale**
150130 PM NOU EFHQ AT FG Bletchley Pride**
150131 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Leslie Crabbe**
150132 TS WMD EJSH AT LM

 

[anthony263]

heard that the 2 class 150's FGW have had from London Midland are supposed to be put into service with FGW on monday

 

[Turbostar]

Yes, as soon as the receiving depot gets them, be it Phillips Marsh or Exeter, fitters will give them the once over to make sure all's ok, & they're running ok, then they'll be put straight into service. A booking will be made for repainting, in the mean time they'll earn their money until their slot comes up for repainting into FGW plain blue with branding.

 

[WelshBluebird]

Any idea what routes these will be used on?
I have a feeling it is pointless me hoping they will be used on the Barnstaple line instead of the pacers that are usually used (there are some sprinters used too, but it seems to be mostly pacers).

 

[Turbostar]

Basically, more or less the same as what the rest of the FGW dmu fleet do, so one day you might see them doing Devon/Cornwall runs, the next they might be around Bristol & Taunton, the next they might be around Westbury down to Southampton.

 

[northwichcat]

Any idea what routes these will be used on?
I have a feeling it is pointless me hoping they will be used on the Barnstaple line instead of the pacers that are usually used (there are some sprinters used too, but it seems to be mostly pacers).

The 142s are due to go back to Northern imminently. They've even had the FGW name removed from the exterior.

Northern are due to get 6x150/2s as 180 replacement and 8x150/2s as replacement for 4x156s going to EMT and for a bit of extra capacity.

 

[anthony263]

I know FGW did want to use class 150's on the severn beach line with the class 143's all being sent down to exeter

 

[Turbostar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but think your finding now that services that warrant 2 150s or a 150 & 153/s, FGW will use 150/2s because they're gangwayed throughout, if it's just a single 150 unit that's needed, you'll find they'll use a 150/1 where possible.

 

[BestWestern]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but think your finding now that services that warrant 2 150s or a 150 & 153/s, FGW will use 150/2s because they're gangwayed throughout, if it's just a single 150 unit that's needed, you'll find they'll use a 150/1 where possible.

That might be the theory, but in practise the /1's are checked into the mix just the same as everything else, they're often seen working in multiple.

 

[150222]

That is the case with northern however their diagraming is just 150 so any type could be used. It is all to common for /1's and /2's to be coupled together.

 

[BestWestern]

There's nothing to say they can't do it, so I guess it's not worth their time diagramming specific units for particular jobs :roll:

 

[387star]

LM must still have units spare then because the 172s haven't entered service yet?

I wonder when the SWT 158 will return it is becoming quite a fixture on the Brighton run.

I hope FGW reform remaining 2-car 158s to hybrid 3-car 158s to ease overcrowding on the afternoon Brighton run which hits the school rush
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That's correct, that'll be the second batch of 150/1s to be transferred from LM to FGW.

150101 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150102 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150106 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150108 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150120 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Gospel Oak - Barking 2000**
150121 EZ FGB EFHQ AT FG Silver Star**
150122 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150123 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Willesden TMD**
150124 TS CTL EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150125 TS CTL EJSH AT LM
150126 TS WMD EJSH AT LM to go to FGW
150127 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Bletchley TMD**
150128 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Bedford-Bamberg 30**
150129 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Marston Vale**
150130 PM NOU EFHQ AT FG Bletchley Pride**
150131 PM FGB EFHQ AT FG Leslie Crabbe**
150132 TS WMD EJSH AT LM

All these from LM heading to FGW? What about Northern and are LM keeping any or ordering more 172s

150104 will not be heading to FGW then?

 

[87015]

There's nothing to say they can't do it, so I guess it's not worth their time diagramming specific units for particular jobs :roll:

Are the types actually diagrammed to be seperate (like the NXEA 317s) or is one 150 deemed the same as another?

 

[Old Hill Bank]

The 142s are due to go back to Northern imminently. They've even had the FGW name removed from the exterior.

Northern are due to get 6x150/2s as 180 replacement and 8x150/2s as replacement for 4x156s going to EMT and for a bit of extra capacity.

That's Fourteen 150/2's LM only have (following de-hibriding) Eight 150/2's plus the two orphaned 57xxx vehicles.
Where do you get your info from mate!!

 

[JEPB]

Probably they will have some of the 150/1s, such as 150104 mentioned earlier in the thread?

 

[northwichcat]

That's Fourteen 150/2's LM only have (following de-hibriding) Eight 150/2's plus the two orphaned 57xxx vehicles.
Where do you get your info from mate!!

I mistyped earlier - it's 8x150/2s and 6x150/1s that Northern are supposed to get. Someone, who said they worked at LM, previously listed all the units on here in a post and said which ones were going where. The 150/0s plus the two 3 car 150s with orphaned 57xxx vehicles are unallocated at present. The DfT document released under the freedom of information act is based on the 3 car 150s being reformed to 2 car except for the obvious 4 that remain as 3 car.

 

[Turbostar]

According to fleet list on thejunction.org.uk, 104 is still with LM, so not sure why it's not showing up on AB Rail, as AB Rail is updated regularly.

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Hey, just noticed this as well on the news section at thejunction.org.uk:

24/05/2011

With the ongoing saga of the London Midland Class 172s, the Class 150s which are to head to First Great Western are reportedly now on lease to FGW and subleased back to London Midland (similarly, Northern Class 142's are leased by Northern and subleased back to FGW). This gives a very strong clue (hopefully!) as to the identities of the sets; 150101, 102, 104, 106, 108, 122, 124, 125 and 126.

 

[WillPS]

Movement at last! Since my involvement with these boards I've been looking forward to this.

What sort of time scale are we looking at, is anybody sure?

Be nice to have the 4x156s with EMT by the end of August, perhaps with Northern's 142s back in service in the North?

 

[BestWestern]

Are the types actually diagrammed to be seperate (like the NXEA 317s) or is one 150 deemed the same as another?

To be perfectly honest I'm not entirely sure. Certainly on the Crews' diagrams it will simply state ' 150 ', no distinction is given between /1's and /2's. This sort of thing can be done when needed, as some diagrams now show ' 158/3 ' to show that a three car set is allocated. With the 150's however I think it would be more of a 'consideration' rather than anything official in the rostering procedures. That said, fleet allocations are all over the place anyhow, and what it says on a diagram is to be taken with the inevitable pinch of salt; for example on the Severn Beach line today there were both 158 and 153 appearances on an ad hoc basis!

 

[WestCoast]

Be nice to have the 4x156s with EMT by the end of August, perhaps with Northern's 142s back in service in the North?

Can't wait! Fancy FGW seat patterns! :cry:

Anyway, good to see the cascades beginning.

 

[Wolvercoter]

142001 is back in Exeter now after repaint and overhaul at NH and HT. I was surprised to see it come all the way back here if I'm honest, what with 150108/26 arriving and with 153325/33 also on FGWs books.

I'm also pleased to report that 142001 retains its small Devon flag sticker (at the bottom of the middle windscreen at one end). For how long it keeps it when it goes back to Northern Rail remains to be seen....

 

[Turbostar]

Well, we gotta leave our mark on it somehow eh? lol

 

[tbtc]

I'm also pleased to report that 142001 retains its small Devon flag sticker (at the bottom of the middle windscreen at one end). For how long it keeps it when it goes back to Northern Rail remains to be seen....

We had an ex-Alphaline 158 at Neville Hill (used on services to Sheffield) which retained its bi-lingual Welsh safety announcements for quite a while, so you never know...

 

[swt_passenger]

Be nice to have the 4x156s with EMT by the end of August, perhaps with Northern's 142s back in service in the North?

Don't forget the 142s could even end up in store, according to that list posted here a few months ago, following an FOI request.

The fact that they were previously used by Northern is no guarantee they will be again...

 

[WillPS]

I'd expect them to be used at least in the interim before the 150 cascade is complete.

 

[150222]

Some ex central 158's at northern still retain welsh safety notices! Also have fgw reformed all the 158's yet? They should have a spare driving motor so it could be inserted in the proper 3 car set then the proper centre car could go to northern (158872?).

 

[swt_passenger]

I'd expect them to be used at least in the interim before the 150 cascade is complete.

Maybe, but this is what the DfT said:

14 x Class 150 carriages will enable 14 x Class 142 carriages currently sub-leased by FGW from Northern Trains to be returned to Northern Trains. Subject to successfully concluding a commercial agreement that is affordable and value for money, these 14 Class 142 carriages will be used to provide additional capacity for Northern Trains.

That agreement has to happen first...

 

[g4mby]

Also have fgw reformed all the 158's yet? They should have a spare driving motor so it could be inserted in the proper 3 car set then the proper centre car could go to northern (158872?).

No FGW haven't reformed the remaining five 2-car 158s.

When they do, they will be keeping the odd coach as an operational spare and lessen the chance of having to operate a 2-car class 158 on a busy route as so often happens now.

 

[TEW]

150108 and 150126 have transferred for additional summer capacity, it will be a while before any more transfer. They probably won't go in for repaint until after the summer either, to allow maximum availability during the busiest period. There was a tender out for a proper refurbishment of the 150s as well, don't know what the result of that is but the LM 150s might go straight into that program rather than the repaint and refurb bodge job at Pullman Rail at Cardiff Canton.

FGW used to diagram 150/1s and 150/2s separately when they just had 121 and 127, but they rarely stuck to those diagrams, they did require 100% 150/1 availability for a start.