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jopsuk

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Seemed to be having a fair bit of effect at Cambridge this morning- though were there actually OHL problems somewhere as well? Looked like the 7:45 (one of the two 12 car trains) didn't leave until after eight o'clock- I was getting the 7:48 to go a few stops down the WA. As we left (on time), only the four coaches from Kings Lynn had turned up; the other eight weren't present- they usually sit in the platform awaiting the four car section. Seemed to be a lot of people that had decided not to trust the other carriages turning up and figured they might as well go to Tottenham Hall or Liverpool Street- train fairly full of moody looking faces :)
 
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There was a tree down on the line between Letchworth Garden City & Baldock which had also caused some OHLE damage which was being inspected so no trains were able to pass through that area whilst I was waiting on the platform at Letchworth at 7:15 this morning.
All trains coming from Royston were shown as delayed on the departure screens.
Fortunately my train comes out of Letchworth sidings, so it left on time (0720) - somewhat fuller than normal as everyone for London (& anywhere else!) was told to catch this & change at Stevenage as they didn't know when the next train would be.
Northbound trains seemed to be queuing between Stevenage & Hitchin on the slow line when I went past. there are normally several ECS trains going through to Royston at that time to form the services that start at Royston - I assume that these were later turning round in Letchworth Sidings.
 

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http://ihatethameslink.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/tweet-yout-fcc-acronyms/#comment-42

Failure Consistently Comes
Frequent Commuter Calamities
Friday Cancelled Commute
Failing Commuters Consistently
Fairly Crap Company
First Cattle Connect
Fewer Commuters Carried
Feverish Chaos Created
Failing Chu Chu
Finally Considers Commuters (after executives and shareholders…)
Freely Culling Commutes
F**king Crappy Connect
F**ing Can’t Connect
Fine Craftsmen of Cockups
Fundamentally Crap Company
F**ing Cramped Carridges
Farcical Constant Cancellations
Fusty, Crusty Carriages
Fiendishly Crushed Commuting
F**king Clueless Clowns
F**ing Cattle Carrier
Full Cramped Carriages
Four Carriage Crush
Flawed Commuter Connector
Franchise Can’t Continue

Care to add any more?

This is only for fun by the way - but it reflects the mood of commuters who are probably now starting to get rather tired of the hassle.

Having left at 1820 yesterday, only to get home at 2030, I am also starting to get frustrated too!
 
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This is only for fun by the way - but it reflects the mood of commuters who are probably now starting to get rather tired of the hassle.

Having left at 1820 yesterday, only to get home at 2030, I am also starting to get frustrated too!

Here here! I've been frustrated at the situation for a while now though :D.
 

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I only make short journeys with them so its not too bad, but the announcement:

The XX train to XX is delayed due to no staff member available

is driving me mad - it's totally ungrammatical - surely its not beyond FCC to do automated announcements which make sense?!
 

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Frequently Causes Cancellations
Forgets Commuters' Compensation
Farcical Cancellations Chaos
Fobs-off Cynical Commuters
 

ihatethameslink

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Frequently Causes Cancellations
Forgets Commuters' Compensation
Farcical Cancellations Chaos
Fobs-off Cynical Commuters

Thanks - I will add these to the website!

Traveling on thameslink / GN route is a complete joke at the moment - and all commuters are simply fed up.
 

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Did anyone get to speak to the managers at City Thameslink yesterday afternoon? I'd love to know what they had to say, especially considering talks are still ongoing. They do seem to be using PR to gain sympathy now, even going as far as apologising for keeping quiet at the start and hoping the problem would go away!

Has FCC made a new offer to drivers yet? Or do we wait until 9th December and suffer another two weeks of hell?
 

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"Has FCC made a new offer to drivers yet? Or do we wait until 9th December and suffer another two weeks of hell? "

No,they haven't,and I doubt they will.
 

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I am very confused about Sunday. I was told today that there will be a normal service, even though I was told that they wouldn't be working Sunday, and that it was all planned in advance to really cause disruption to the Arsenal game. If they are working then what has happened to the protest?

It must be too late now to cancel, unless FCC is waiting until the last minute to tell us. Yet I spoke to an RPI only this morning who is going to the game, so he isn't likely to be fobbing me off. In fact, he had plenty of nice things to say about First Group as a whole! ;)
 

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Did anyone get to speak to the managers at City Thameslink yesterday afternoon?

Ok, have finally bitten and decided to register to post. I commute daily between St Albans City and London. I’ve been reading this forum since the week of 26th October to find out what was going on since FCC were telling us commuters nothing and so we found out for ourselves!

Anyway, City Thameslink station on Wednesday evening. I went primarily to make my complaints about two things:
1. Information to Passengers and Customer Services responses during the recent service problems
2. Compensation

As whatever is going on, and we pretty much all know by now, Customer Service Information and Compensation are two things FCC has absolute control of and neither has been good enough.

1. I showed them examples of recent email correspondence and how Customer Services had:
I. Not answered the questions I had raised
II. Copied and pasted (presumably) bits of information so you have sentences that do not make any sense
III. Provide answers that are far too generic, can be read on the company’s web site (hey I’m not an idiot I can read that for myself) and do not look at a passenger’s specific circumstances e.g. what use is telling me about ticket acceptance on London Buses and South West and Southern trains when I’m trying to get from St Albans to St Pancras/Farringdon?
The responses generally follow the format that someone in another thread poked fun at
“Dear xx, Very sorry about zz. Some random information that is not relevant/you knew already. Vaguely back on topic but still not answering the question. Copy and paste marketing bulls*** from company web site. Regards yy”

Within the emails I was specifically asking them to explain their statement of Friday 30th October which was provided by a ‘FCC Spokesman’ in response to an article the Herts Advertiser published on its web site and went something along the lines of ‘well it’s half term and it’s sunny’. This was complete rubbish, they know it, they were trying to cover up the truth and they still will not admit it properly. Things they are saying now like ‘We have always attempted to be open and honest with customers regardless of how tough the message may be...In hindsight perhaps we should have assumed worse case scenario from the beginning…’ will not wash with us now and we won’t be taken for fools. To be fair to the guy I spoke to on Wednesday evening, he could not believe the half term/sunshine excuse and thought it was bad.

I also made complaints, with specific examples, of the random changes to the revised timetable and lack of information not just to passengers, but to their own staff on the platforms who don’t appear to know what’s going on at times either (to the point I kind of feel sorry for them).

2. I made the point that the compensation system is an utter joke and does not work for commuter services. Delay Repay may work on long distance journeys where you have advance tickets booked for a specific train but not on routes where passengers can get on any train and there are so many services, a number of which have slightly different journey times due to different stopping patterns (e.g. some fast trains call at West Hampstead) and some change track and take a minute or so longer etc. and so whether I’m 28/29/30/31 minutes late I have no idea and I don’t want to study FCC’s timetables (the proper one, the revised one and the actual arrival times of trains) every evening to work it out!!! <(

Even prior to the recent problems, the compensation system for season ticket holders was ridiculous, we’ve wasted enough time being late, we then have a form filling exercise to then receive a letter that tells us we weren’t 30 minutes late, when for example, there was one or more cancelled services and the next service turns up short formed so we can’t get on so we end up on the next one which is delayed/slow so we are more than 30 minutes late but FCC thinks about 2000 people should have been able to get on its 4 coach service that ran and refuses the compensation claim.

The guy I was speaking to at City Thameslink eventually admitted that virtually everyone who had been to speak to them was complaining about compensation and that the system was inadequate and he thought that the Senior Management were now going to look at it. Other main complaints were all about information.

Sorry for the long post/rant, but err, you asked what went on at City T and I was talking to the guy for nearly half an hour :D
 

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The 48 hour mark up has arleady(Thurs) gone up so someone on the GN side of FCC knows if there is going to be any service...
 

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I want to go to Cambridge next Friday, but need to be there fairly early (probably getting the 0745 from King's Cross if I go by train), and can't afford to be horrendously delayed if trains get cancelled. How likely is it that I will have problems? I'm now seriously considering driving instead.
 

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Why does noone read the previous posts?

The ballot result isnt out until the 9th of December,so IF anything happens it will be a week or so after that

The GN is largely unaffected,despite what you read on here..just check FCC's website regularly
 

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I want to go to Cambridge next Friday, but need to be there fairly early (probably getting the 0745 from King's Cross if I go by train), and can't afford to be horrendously delayed if trains get cancelled. How likely is it that I will have problems? I'm now seriously considering driving instead.

I'd go for the 07:15 if I were you, just to be on the safe side. Cannot say for definite what will be running and what won't but it's unlikely that two 'Cruisers' will be caped in a row.

Normal service (this Sunday).
15 uncovered turns (out of about 80) on Sunday at various Depots on the GN. I'm sure the last minute helpers will do their best to grab some extra money.
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Ok, have finally bitten and decided to register to post. I commute daily between St Albans City and London. I’ve been reading this forum since the week of 26th October to find out what was going on since FCC were telling us commuters nothing and so we found out for ourselves!

Anyway, City Thameslink station on Wednesday evening. I went primarily to make my complaints about two things:
1. Information to Passengers and Customer Services responses during the recent service problems
2. Compensation

Did nobody ask why FCC had not employed enough Drivers to run a service or how long they were prepared to let this run for, or was everyone just asking about compensation??!?
 

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15 uncovered turns (out of about 80) on Sunday at various Depots on the GN. I'm sure the last minute helpers will do their best to grab some extra money.
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Did nobody ask why FCC had not employed enough Drivers to run a service or how long they were prepared to let this run for, or was everyone just asking about compensation??!?

I'm sure they will too...usual suspects if you get my meaning,which I guess you do

I'm sure everyone asked about compensation..thats all that matters these days,my friend
 

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I wouldn't have asked about compensation. In fact, so far I haven't made a single claim - can't be bothered for a £2 rail voucher which is all I ever get if I do claim (a few claims made in 4 years now).

I want to know when it will be sorted and suspect that my questioning would have had the managers end their meeting early and refuse to answer any questions!
 

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Offer made to ASLEF negotiating team. Needs to be voted on by the members. Merry Christmas.
 

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Offer made to ASLEF negotiating team. Needs to be voted on by the members. Merry Christmas.

Well from what I heard last night, the GN drivers are likely to accept it but there's doubt if the TL drivers will accept it.
 

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1.5% offered. Going by the mess room talk today it looks like it will go through. Some other conditions changed also, not bad at the end of the day but why oh why did they take it this far!!! Why not offer this back in April for gods sake and save all the hassles for the commuters as it is them who have suffered for this more than anyone else.
 

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We're a forgiving bunch! If the trains are back to normal from now, I am sure most of us won't be that concerned about the hassle already experienced.

Anyone that used Delay Repay may even make some money from it too!

I couldn't be bothered, as I usually get rail vouchers and then let them expire in a drawer somewhere.
 

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Cue the long engineering shutdown of the Core from 25th-30th December to be label due to lack of staff or drivers strike in the press.

I only make short journeys with them so its not too bad, but the announcement:

The XX train to XX is delayed due to no staff member available

is driving me mad - it's totally ungrammatical - surely its not beyond FCC to do automated announcements which make sense?!

Try spending all day on the platforms with non stop announcements. Ive now tuned out completely even tho as staff I actually need to listen to *some* of them.

I also made complaints, with specific examples, of the random changes to the revised timetable and lack of information not just to passengers, but to their own staff on the platforms who don’t appear to know what’s going on at times either (to the point I kind of feel sorry for them).

The information is completely broken. There was an email sent out about a train running fast. It was sent one minute after the train was expected to have completed its jounery. Us on the platforms are taking all the crap and even then things change so we look completely useless. Ie announcing a train has an altered calling pattern only for the driver to disagree over the train tannoy. Joy. Least 99% of passenegr actually realise platform staff aren't to blame.
 
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The information is completely broken. There was an email sent out about a train running fast. It was sent one minute after the train was expected to have completed its jounery. Us on the platforms are taking all the crap and even then things change so we look completely useless. Ie announcing a train has an altered calling pattern only for the driver to disagree over the train tannoy. Joy. Least 99% of passenegr actually realise platform staff aren't to blame.

I agree, I had one train which I was told by control that it was going onto Stevenage only for the driver to say he wasn't and he was in fact coming out of service! I do believe a replacement service was a few minutes away though.
 
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At the end of the day if the drivers feel they have worked hard enough for a pay rise and Im sure they have, they should get one. HOWEVER they shouldn't go on strike about it. Wrong way about things
 

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It isn't a strike though, that is just a word the press likes to overuse. All the drivers are doing is excercising their right not to work on Sunday's because they are not contracted to do so.
 
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