FCC Drivers - no Sunday working

[jopsuk]

and, like taxis, charge passengers more if there's a delay once they're on the train?

 

[Tetchytyke]

I've just found the solution to the problem! Only pay drivers when they are actually driving trains.

And we can stick cameras in the mess room, selling the resulting punchups on Sky Sports for £9.99.

I like your thinking

 

[Carlisle]

And we can stick cameras in the mess room, selling the resulting punchups on Sky Sports for £9.99.

I like your thinking

Does that not also exist on some bus companies too ,basically you log in to your ticket machine when you start your trip and log off at the route end so any waiting/ break time between trips is not paid

 

[notadriver]

I think many already only pay driving time and those extra drivers on 'stand by' are made to do shunting or other stuff as required like tidying schedule cards or sweeping out the yard. And 8 hours stand by means you'll be kept the full 8 hours not a minute less. Oh I could go on ...

 

[PG]

Does that not also exist on some bus companies too ,basically you log in to your ticket machine when you start your trip and log off at the route end so any waiting/ break time between trips is not paid

If there are then I bet most of there services run late... bar the ones just before end of shift

 

[CockneySparrow]

Where trains are operated with guards/conductors, they are jointly responsible with the driver for the safety of the train. Their primary role is safety- in some parts of some companies (South West Trains on the inner-suburban routes for example) they may have no role whatsoever in revenue enforcement.

if a route/company has guards, they are required to be on every service. Without the guard, the train will not run. Very often the train couldn't run- the driver may not have controls for the doors and/or a safe way of observing the doors when closing them. On Driver Only Operation routes you may notice a bank of mmonitors at the end of the platform plus cameras along it, or big mirrors. Alternatively at some stations the driver may be able to look back out the cab window, or on modern stock they may have cameras mounted on the train with monitors in the cab.

On DOO routes, and also on routes with non-revenue guards, you'll get Revenue protection/enforcement inspectors/officers (the terminology seems to vary?). They're solely responsible for checking tickets. They don't have to be on every train (they'll be on a small % of them) and tend to operate in pairs from what I've seen.

Thanks for that, didnt know there is a difference

I have seen the mirrors and TVs on the platform and guessed the driver did the doors etc, but as a normal passenger we just see someone come round occasionally and check the tickets

The staff at Ely use the word guard, even last week in the rush hour they had to close the booking hall due a fault and over the tannoy they said "If there are any passengers waiting for tickets you can board the train today without penalty, you can buy your ticket from the guard or at the other end" then we all piled onto the 7:30 London Liverpool Street service

 

[notadriver]

Would conductor/guards be annoyed if they were referred to as ticket inspectors so as not to confuse passengers ?

 

[313103]

Would conductor/guards be annoyed if they were referred to as ticket inspectors so as not to confuse passengers ?

Only if they are ticket inspectors! If not the word Guard will do nicely. How does one confuse a Guard with a ticket inspector anyway?

 

[O L Leigh]

"If there are any passengers waiting for tickets you can board the train today without penalty, you can buy your ticket from the guard...

...for services where a guard is provided (e.g. the Birmingham to Stansted, Liverpool to Norwich or Peterborough to Ipswich services)...

...or at the other end"

...for Driver-Only services (e.g. the Kings Lynn to London Kings Cross/Liverpool Street services).

There is no confusion there.

O L Leigh