F1 2012

[richw]

On sky they played the team radio, the conversation told him to not challenge alonso unless its a straight forward pass as they were happy with 18 points. Skys commentator then said he wondered if that classed as a team order to not upset the engine provider.

 

[Bungle73]

On sky they played the team radio, the conversation told him to not challenge alonso unless its a straight forward pass as they were happy with 18 points. Skys commentator then said he wondered if that classed as a team order to not upset the engine provider.

I know, I watched it; but he still made the error and after that any chance was of a move was gone.

 

[richw]

I know, I watched it; but he still made the error and after that any chance was of a move was gone.

ok, its hard to know who watched it now, as so many people complaining they cant watch on sky!

 

[Lampshade]

On sky they played the team radio, the conversation told him to not challenge alonso unless its a straight forward pass as they were happy with 18 points. Skys commentator then said he wondered if that classed as a team order to not upset the engine provider.

I infer that as "don't take unnecessary risks and bin it into the wall, second is fantastic now bring it home".

 

[andrew bell]

Does anyone agree with me about what Christian Horner and Seb Vettel said about passing the HRT was pure sour grapes as it was Vettel's mistake and none of them are man enough to admit their mistake and try and blame someone else. A similar incident was last year between Lewis Hamilton and Kobayshi in Belguim, only Lewis spun out and retired and when he was asked afterwards about it he said I misjudged it, my mistake and if there is any penalty I will accept it

 

[gswindale]

Didn't seem to be much difference between the Button/Kartikhayan and Vettel/Kartikhayan incidents to me apart from one was for position & the other was to lap him.

Given the track conditions, could Vettel have not passed on a straight rather than into a corner?

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Vettel passed on the exit of a corner tbf, but gave little room to the HRT and in the wet, where aquaplaning is common, it is asking for trouble. Coulthard actually called it right (for once) imo, a racing incident.

I thought at first Vettel had moved as much as Karthikeyan, but actually the track curves to the left (as the driver sees it) so it was deceptive.

Button was gentleman enough to admit he made a mistake against the HRT, locking up his brakes and sliding into Karthikeyan, although I think he was unlucky to lose his wing.

 

[LE Greys]

Didn't seem to be much difference between the Button/Kartikhayan and Vettel/Kartikhayan incidents to me apart from one was for position & the other was to lap him.

Given the track conditions, could Vettel have not passed on a straight rather than into a corner?

They both made awkward moves, looks like both drivers got impatient. That's an old problem, and it seems they both paid the price.

 

[Ivo]

Why have Sauber gone into partnership with Chelsea...?

I'm sure the Barcelona crowd are loving that

 

[LE Greys]

Why have Sauber gone into partnership with Chelsea...?

I'm sure the Barcelona crowd are loving that

£££

Incidentally, did McLaren underestimate fuel quantities, or was it something else?

 

[Ivo]

If they did underestimate the fuel, that's a pretty amateur mistake!

I would expect it to be something else to be honest.

 

[NIMBUS]

Lewis has been stripped of pole and will start from the back of the grid. The stewards found against McLaren for the rule infringement over fuel.

 

[Bungle73]

Lewis has been stripped of pole and will start from the back of the grid. The stewards found against McLaren for the rule infringement over fuel.

OH FFS! :-x

 

[Ivo]

This seems quite harsh. I think something like a 10-place demotion would have been fairer.

All the best for Maldonado for tomorrow from the pole!

If they did underestimate the fuel, that's a pretty amateur mistake!

Amateurs :roll:

 

[Failed Unit]

McLaren are so annoying this season, they seem to be thier own worse enemies.

 

[gswindale]

It seems that McLaren are doing all they can to throw away this year's championship!

The car clearly has the pace, but the strategy guys don't seem to be fully "with it".

Have they recently employed somebody from another top team...

 

[Zoe]

Senna ran out of fuel in two consecutive races in 1991.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Article 6.6.2 of the technical regulations:

Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

However this was not a practice session, oh wait, it was Hamilton....

 

[Bungle73]

Article 6.6.2 of the technical regulations:

Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

However this was not a practice session, oh wait, it was Hamilton....

It applies to qualifying too. The rule was changed a few years ago when exactly the same thing happened: Lewis stopped out on the track having qualified so he'd have enough fuel for a sample. In that case it was legal; then they changed the rules.

I don't get why he's been put at the back though. They were saying before this was announced the most likely punishment would stripping him of his fastest time, which should have put him in sixth.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

EDITED: Ah, so they use "Practice sessions" to cover "free Practice" and "Qualifying Practice".

EDIT 2: Given that Kobayashi didn't make it to the pits after his last run either, surely he has to have a penalty?

 

[gswindale]

Depends on why Kobayashi stopped surely?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

In the case of Hamilton, apparently ( according to the BBC anyway! ) the guy who was putting the fuel in had the rig switch set on remove at first; corrected it but then they decided not to keep the rig on for the 3 or 4 seconds it would have taken to get the correct volume of fuel in...!!

I suppose at least it makes a change from cross threaded wheel nuts.....:roll:

 

[craigwilson]

EDITED: Ah, so they use "Practice sessions" to cover "free Practice" and "Qualifying Practice".

EDIT 2: Given that Kobayashi didn't make it to the pits after his last run either, surely he has to have a penalty?

Didn't Kamui stop in the middle of a fast lap? Probably unlikely he ran out of fuel in this case.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

There isn't a rule specific to running out of fuel. The rule says that if a specimen of fuel is required the car must make it back to the pits under it's own power.

 

[Darandio]

Tis a shame, I am not sure how easy it is to make a mistake with the fill or remove switch, but it shouldnt happen in Q3 of a World Championship round.

That said, Q3 today was one of the best I have seen, even if it did look a possible damp squib in the early minutes. It has made for a potentially cracking race tomorrow though with Hamilton, Webber and Button all up for an overtake.

Race of the year perhaps, like Canada last year? (But dry)

 

[Donny Dave]

There isn't a rule specific to running out of fuel. The rule says that if a specimen of fuel is required the car must make it back to the pits under it's own power.

AFAIK, all cars that make it into Q3 must provide a fuel sample, although I'm open to being corrected about that.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

AFAIK, all cars that make it into Q3 must provide a fuel sample, although I'm open to being corrected about that.

Yes, but craigwilson said that it is unlikely Kamui ran out off fuel, that is what I was refering to, not the need for a fuel sample.

Tis a shame, I am not sure how easy it is to make a mistake with the fill or remove switch, but it shouldnt happen in Q3 of a World Championship round.

That said, Q3 today was one of the best I have seen, even if it did look a possible damp squib in the early minutes. It has made for a potentially cracking race tomorrow though with Hamilton, Webber and Button all up for an overtake.

Race of the year perhaps, like Canada last year? (But dry)

Barcalona is not known for it's overtaking though, so it'll be tough even from the midfield, the start will be crutial.

 

[starrymarkb]

Article 6.6.2 of the technical regulations:

Competitors must ensure that a one litre sample of fuel may be taken from the car at any time during the Event.
Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the stewards of the meeting), if a sample of fuel is required after a practice session the car concerned must have first been driven back to the pits under its own power.

However this was not a practice session, oh wait, it was Hamilton....

McLaren did it a couple of years ago, by not giving Hamilton fuel for the return to the pits they gained about 2 tenths of a second for a £50,000 fine. Needless to say that the FIA were not amused hence why they have come down hard on this occasion

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Tis a shame, I am not sure how easy it is to make a mistake with the fill or remove switch, but it shouldnt happen in Q3 of a World Championship round.

Apparently it's a lever type switch...!!

 

[newbie babs]

It certainly wiped that smug smile of Hamilton's face.