Expected changes to Northern & TPE with stock changes

[WatcherZero]

Interestingly while IEP will begin to enter service from May 2018 on the East Coast, the formal switchover to new timetable and release of the IC225's is May 2020. The leasing companies are reportedly lobbying for the stock to be released earlier, during 2019, so that they have time to perform DDA upgrades for the next lessor in time for Dec 2019 so that they can go straight into a new home without being off lease for an extended period for modification if East Coast releasesed them en masse in May (doubt whether a 4 month waiver would be much of a problem if East Coast really wanted to keep them past Dec).

Im starting to think TPE would be the logical next home, its the right timeframe for a 350/185 replacement for Scottish and some transpennine services that would offer the opportunity to again slightly increase capacity (of course platform lengthenings would be required), Chiltern would probably want some to replace some of its rakes if it decides to keep using locomotives but I cant see where else they would naturally find a good home as its doubtful whether they would be converted to ERTMS, which would rule out the Great Western from 2025 (date old lights due to be switched off after several years of parallel operation) as well as Thameslink and Crossrail, not that they would have the slightest chance of being used there. Scotland probably wouldnt be interested in stock then over 30 years old with their policy of prioritising a young fleet. Nowhere else I could think of would want that large a fleet.

 

[northwichcat]

Isn't losing 9 class 170's bad enough when you have to stand everyday on your commute already?

Your post didn't use future tense so it made it sound like the North is already suffering due to the South taking their rolling stock, opposed to the North will suffer next year.

 

[RobShipway]

Interestingly while IEP will begin to enter service from May 2018 on the East Coast, the formal switchover to new timetable and release of the IC225's is May 2020. The leasing companies are reportedly lobbying for the stock to be released earlier, during 2019, so that they have time to perform DDA upgrades for the next lessor in time for Dec 2019 so that they can go straight into a new home without being off lease for an extended period for modification if East Coast releasesed them en masse in May (doubt whether a 4 month waiver would be much of a problem if East Coast really wanted to keep them past Dec).

Im starting to think TPE would be the logical next home, its the right timeframe for a 350/185 replacement for Scottish and some transpennine services that would offer the opportunity to again slightly increase capacity (of course platform lengthenings would be required), Chiltern would probably want some to replace some of its rakes if it decides to keep using locomotives but I cant see where else they would naturally find a good home as its doubtful whether they would be converted to ERTMS, which would rule out the Great Western from 2025 (date old lights due to be switched off after several years of parallel operation) as well as Thameslink and Crossrail, not that they would have the slightest chance of being used there. Scotland probably wouldnt be interested in stock then over 30 years old with their policy of prioritising a young fleet. Nowhere else I could think of would want that large a fleet.

Could the MK4's be used with cross country routes with class 68 and replace where the HST's are being used?

 

[WatcherZero]

TPE in talks with DRS over hiring a Locomotive hauled unit to operate two round liverpool to Scarborough trips on 5th and 6th July for the Tour de France. All units into Leeds before 11am will be 6 car formations and all out after the race finishes, also strengthening for Huddersfield and Sheffield during the race timed to cater for spectators watching the riders pass through the areas at the expected times, also an earlier York arriving service on the Sunday.

Northern will be strengthening services on the Sunday.

 

[northwichcat]

TPE in talks with DRS over hiring a Locomotive hauled unit to operate two round liverpool to Scarborough trips on 5th and 6th July for the Tour de France. All units into Leeds before 11am will be 6 car formations and all out after the race finishes, also strengthening for Huddersfield and Sheffield during the race timed to cater for spectators watching the riders pass through the areas at the expected times, also an earlier York arriving service on the Sunday.

Northern will be strengthening services on the Sunday.

There's a thread about extra services for the Tour de France here: http://railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=98482

 

[WatcherZero]

Thank you

 

[thealexweb]

TPE in talks with DRS over hiring a Locomotive hauled unit to operate two round liverpool to Scarborough trips on 5th and 6th July for the Tour de France. All units into Leeds before 11am will be 6 car formations and all out after the race finishes, also strengthening for Huddersfield and Sheffield during the race timed to cater for spectators watching the riders pass through the areas at the expected times, also an earlier York arriving service on the Sunday.

Northern will be strengthening services on the Sunday.

What would the carriages be? I know Arriva has spare Mark 2s in storage.

 

[Brian Aylott]

What would the carriages be? I know Arriva has spare Mark 2s in storage.

Strange that you know that, as Arriva don't!
Brian

 

[sprinterguy]

What would the carriages be?

DRS have been buying up and refurbishing (mainly former Cargo-D?) mark 2s in past months for use on passenger trains, and, I believe, for use in push-pull formation with mark 2 DBSOs in the future.

 

[thealexweb]

Strange that you know that, as Arriva don't!
Brian

I know they had some spare at the end of 2012 / start of 2013 and I had not seen any news that they had moved on so presumed they had put them in storage for now.