So not 90 minute journeys any more? Moving the goalposts?
Well you claimed the Penistone Line is one of a few long distance 142 route when it's around 75 minutes.
The problem if I try to list only 90 minute journeys is different amount of recovery time and leaf fall time come in to play. Today the 09:17 Manchester-Chester service takes over 90 minutes, tomorrow the 09:22 Manchester-Chester takes 84 minutes so do I include the route as over 90 minutes or not? Using routes where all journeys are over 75 minutes seemed easier.
I appreciate that the 180s only did a handful of journeys on this route, but you were suggesting on the EMU threads that this was generally a doubled up 156...
...when someone suggests a four coach EMU is used on this route you complain that this would be a reduction compared to the four coach 156s.
You're remembering incorrectly. I only ever commented on the peak time workings and I never claimed they were currently 4 car 156s.
I pointed out that the busiest peak time workings in and out of Manchester on the Bolton corridor were either 6 car 185 or 5 car 180. I said that a 5 car 180 is equivalent to a 4 car 156 for capacity terms. I may have also pointed out that some of the services that were operated by 180s replaced services that were operated by 2x156s prior to Dec 08.
I seem to remember pointing out that if only 4 car EMUs were used on the Manchester-Bolton-Preston corridor then an extra path would be required to maintain the current peak capacity. A few people have posted on here saying the 2x150s Northern have recently used in lieu of the 180 on the Hazel Grove-Preston diagram is woefully inadequate and a 319 is the same size as 2x150s.
Has a faster "end to end" service (the ATW 175s via Warrington), in the way that people wouldn't chose to sit on the Pacers doing Sheffield - Castleford - Leeds or on a 150 doing Leeds - Harrogate - York.
Not the same though as Manchester-Warrington-Chester is only hourly, while Leeds-York and Leeds-Sheffield has multiple services every hour.
Again, I thought there were a fair few 156s?
Southport gets a lot less Sprinters than it used to. Some of the busier services became 2x142 instead of Sprinters.
A token "through" service, and you'd be better doing "end to end" on Merseyrail rather than sitting on the train over Stockport viaduct?
With it being Sundays only, the most common day for engineering works and reduced frequency on all almost lines, the direct train can finish up carrying people end to end, if they want to avoid a replacement bus service between Liverpool and Southport.
Personally, having done Formby-Chester on 507/8s I think if I was doing Southport-Chester I'd prefer a 150 even if it took longer.
I did compare the number of Pacers to the number of 155/156/158s. That includes the likes of
- Blackpool North - Liverpool
- Liverpool - Manchester Airport
- Manchester - Bradford - Selby
Your list includes a few routes that have 156s etc on them and a few routes that are fairly infrequent. In comparison, the Leeds - Nottingham service needs at least seven 158s (it does Nottingham - Leeds - Sheffield - Leeds - Nottingham), the Leeds - Bradford - Manchester services need twelve units (due to interworking to Selby etc)...
You seem to be moving the goal posts now. I said 'usually' earlier on and you even quoted it. If 75% of services on a line are 142 or 150 operated I would say the line is usually 142 or 150 operated.
I don't think Blackpool North-Liverpool is mainly 156 any more. Liverpool-Manchester Airport is one of the few routes that gets 156s without getting a number of 142s and 150s thrown in alongside.
