Euston evacuated (16/04)

[61653 HTAFC]

Good thing there wasn't a great big pointless Doric Arch to get in the way of the evacuees and emergency services!

 

[user15681]

A couple of people asked where the taxi rank is relative to the station. It is directly underneath the plaza where everyone was evacuated to.

 

[DarloRich]

A couple of people asked where the taxi rank is relative to the station. It is directly underneath the plaza where everyone was evacuated to.

Under a vastly thick concrete slab. I am sure there would have to be a conflagration of Dantean proportions to burn through that before people were moved.

 

[GB]

A rather over zealous PCSO threatened to arrest the MOM who was trying to go about his business liaising with the fire chief during this incident. :roll:

 

[user15681]

Under a vastly thick concrete slab. I am sure there would have to be a conflagration of Dantean proportions to burn through that before people were moved.

If the rest of Euston is anything to go by, then it'll be very thick concrete.

 

[SansPareil]

Good thing there wasn't a great big pointless Doric Arch to get in the way of the evacuees and emergency services!

Have to say, that made me laugh!

A rather over zealous PCSO threatened to arrest the MOM who was trying to go about his business liaising with the fire chief during this incident. :roll:

Excuse my ignorance but what's an MOM in this context? A Station Manager of some sort?

 

[GatwickDepress]

:roll:

Yeah, we know now the building wasn't on fire. But when Inspector Sands went to evacuate not every person in the building knew where or how big the fire was or could potentially get. Better to play safe?
And yeah commuters still walked through a burning underground station.

Commuters would walk through the Stygian pits that curse their very souls if it meant catching the 1732 in time.

Excuse my ignorance but what's an MOM in this context? A Station Manager of some sort?

I think it's a Mobile Operations Manager, a Network Rail position that co-ordinates efforts on-site to get services running again after an incident.

 

[GB]

Sorry, Mobile Operations Manager. The Network Rail bloke that attends incidents of this nature and who is the link between Network control and everything/everyone on the ground.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

A rather over zealous PCSO threatened to arrest the MOM who was trying to go about his business liaising with the fire chief during this incident. :roll:

I've got a few stories about over zealous rail staff trying to throw the emergency services out of stations as well...


SansPareil: MOMs are Network Rail's representative at bronze command level. They manage rail staff at an incident when acting as the Rail Incident Officer and deal with any requests the emergency service commanders may make of the rail industry. At a mainline incident, I'd be unwilling to go on the track without assurance from the MOM (or my control via NR control) that the line is blocked and power is off. To quote the NR Rail Incident Procedures:

At all incidents the RIO will be the lead railway representative, co-ordinating the rail industry input and providing site specific information.
The RIO will be readily identifiable and make themselves known to the Emergency Services Incident Commanders.

 

[SansPareil]

Thanks for the replies, sounds like being an MOM or RIO is an interesting job, if not always a pleasant one.

 

[GB]

MOM and RIO are part of the same job but RIO is a qualification that is required before assuming that duty. Last I remember the RIO is silver level within the command structure set up with control being gold and resources on the ground being bronze.

 

[Kite159]

I wondered why the guard on the SWT service into Waterloo said there was major disruption currently at Euston last night, made the minor delay heading into Waterloo not so bad

 

[carriageline]

To be fair, quite a few people can be RIO (local ops managers, Area ops managers as well I believe) as the on call managers sometimes need to be RIO.

The MOMs job is interesting, but they also do a lot of paper work, auditing, box/access/possession checks and dropping supplies to signal boxes (area depending!)

 

[w0033944]

On what charge do we think the PCSO wanted to arrest the MOM?

 

[carriageline]

He was trying to get him out of the station, not realising he was the MOM (somehow?!)

 

[meridian2]

I thought a MOM was something you got after 90 minutes..

Sorry..

 

[ralphchadkirk]

MOM and RIO are part of the same job but RIO is a qualification that is required before assuming that duty. Last I remember the RIO is silver level within the command structure set up with control being gold and resources on the ground being bronze.

I don't know how NR is structured, but for us, resources on the ground aren't part of bronze unless they fulfil a management role (Bronze triage, Bronze parking etc). Silver command generally aren't on scene, but sit in the incident control room. The ICR therefore doesn't become gold, but there will be a gold cell within it (Gold Commander). The gold commanders all meet regularly, and immediately above them is COBRA.

 

[jon0844]

Couldn't they let it burn, destroy the station and then have a blank canvas to rebuild?

Okay, so there would be one or two annoyed commuters but...

 

[infobleep]

He was trying to get him out of the station, not realising he was the MOM (somehow?!)

May be MOMs need to wear something which shows who they are. A coloured over jacket that no one else uses.

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[carriageline]

They do... they wear a police style vest with "Mobile Operations Manager" over the back, and MOM over the front...

 

[GB]

I don't know how NR is structured, but for us, resources on the ground aren't part of bronze unless they fulfil a management role (Bronze triage, Bronze parking etc). Silver command generally aren't on scene, but sit in the incident control room. The ICR therefore doesn't become gold, but there will be a gold cell within it (Gold Commander). The gold commanders all meet regularly, and immediately above them is COBRA.

This is the railway command structure taken from RGS GO/RT3118. Don't know if its been superseded though... and don't know if the MOM in question was acting as a RIO or just in a normal MOM capacity.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Interesting. Would the rio be expected to be prosent at the incident? For us, silver is represented on the ground as the bronze forward incident commander.


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[infobleep]

They do... they wear a police style vest with "Mobile Operations Manager" over the back, and MOM over the front...

Well than the PCSO should have known better. Still no one is perfect. We all make mistakes and may be in the moment of it all, the PCSO forgot what the MOM was suppose to do.

I wonder if it got as far as the MOM being read his rights? I hope the MOM was able to keep claim because if they had say sworn the PCSO would definitely have had legitimate grounds to arrest them.

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[GB]

Does a PCSO have powers of arrest or is it simply wait here while I go an get a proper police person?

 

[carriageline]

From what I have heard through,the PCSO told the MOM to leave the station as he was trying to deal with the station manager, and the MOM duly obliged, until control rang up and wanted the PCSOs number for booting him out!!

Nope, I believe they have the same powers of arrest as any other citizen! As said he just made a mistake in a hectic situation

 

[sbt]

Commuters would walk through the Stygian pits that curse their very souls if it meant catching the 1732 in time.

I used to live in a flat near Woking Station. One morning there was a bomb alert (not long after a small but very real one had gone off up just up the line). A Police cordon was established and all trains were stopped, this was clearly stated. Whilst I was waiting I did some shopping - and twice saw Commuters trying to go through to the private back entrances of shops in order to get behind the cordon. What they expected to achieve, with (audibly) no trains running, by this I don't know.

 

[island]

A rather over zealous PCSO threatened to arrest the MOM who was trying to go about his business liaising with the fire chief during this incident. :roll:

Does a PCSO have powers of arrest or is it simply wait here while I go an get a proper police person?

A PlaStiCOp has the same powers of arrest as anyone on the street, i.e. only for indictable offences and only with direct evidence, so cannot arrest "on suspicion".

 

[oversteer]

Whilst I was waiting I did some shopping - and twice saw Commuters trying to go through to the private back entrances of shops in order to get behind the cordon. What they expected to achieve, with (audibly) no trains running, by this I don't know.

A guaranteed seat on the next service that runs!

 

[Tetchytyke]

There were plenty of seats on the trains that did leave, I was on the delayed 1829 Northampton and had the carriage to myself.

Heard plenty of grumbles about the station departure boards being skewy, but didn't notice anything. I was waiting for the delays to pass in the Bree, though...

 

[cjmillsnun]

On what charge do we think the PCSO wanted to arrest the MOM?

Considering PCSOs don't have police powers of arrest it would be interesting anyway.