EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Welly]

I saw this meme yesterday and thought of this thread.

 

[northwichcat]

Thank you for pointing out why an independent UK, free of the restrictions of the EU, would be in a much better position to negotiate free trade deals which suited both parties, rather than having to buy off some peasant farmers in Belgium, Bulgaria or anywhere else.

If that's the case then you'll have to accept that the EU hasn't forced us in to any deal we haven't wanted as otherwise an MEP such as Farage would have had the power to prevent it.

 

[furnessvale]

If that's the case then you'll have to accept that the EU hasn't forced us in to any deal we haven't wanted as otherwise an MEP such as Farage would have had the power to prevent it.

I didn't realise a single MEP had the power to block legislation.

I do know that there is a lot of wheeling and dealing goes on in politics. I hope that in future the wheeling and dealing will benefit UK farmers rather than Wallonian ones.

 

[northwichcat]

I didn't realise a single MEP had the power to block legislation.

He had the power to get a better deal for British fishing industry but was absent for 19/20 committee meetings (when he was on the committee) so the British fishing industry wasn't being represented and for some reason the towns that have an economy dependant on fishing seemed to all vote for Brexit. Did Farage help ruin our fishing industry to ensure he got Brexit?

 

[Groningen]

Is there progress; is there vision; does Britain know what to do. In my eyes: no.

 

[furnessvale]

He had the power to get a better deal for British fishing industry but was absent for 19/20 committee meetings (when he was on the committee) so the British fishing industry wasn't being represented and for some reason the towns that have an economy dependant on fishing seemed to all vote for Brexit. Did Farage help ruin our fishing industry to ensure he got Brexit?

I don't know the answer to that one. I have never voted for the man but I will not let the actions or inactions of one man colour my view of what is best for the UK for the foreseeable future.

 

[dgl]

We seem to be like a rabbit in the headlights but the rabbit is on the top of a mountain wondering why is there a car here.

 

[furnessvale]

Is there progress; is there vision; does Britain know what to do. In my eyes: no.

There is progress, there is vision and the UK knows what to.

And that adds as much to the debate as your contribution.

 

[ainsworth74]

There is progress, there is vision and the UK knows what to.

Do tell?

 

[EM2]

there is progress, there is vision and the uk knows what to.

And that adds as much to the debate as your contribution.

O rly?

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

O rly?

What's a Parisian airport got anything to do with the matter in discussion?

 

[Howardh]

What's a Parisian airport got anything to do with the matter in discussion?

I thought it was Fawlty's builder...??

Meanwhile, looks like Dear Old Austria has bucked the recent trends across the world and voted conservatively. Pity - the Mail and Express now won't have a DOOM and GLOOM EU headline with the EU being CLOSE to EXTINCTION. Still, they can report on some snow instead. Also nice to read the Right moaning at Farage's intervention!!

 

[miami]

What's a Parisian airport got anything to do with the matter in discussion?

Oh dear, I must be getting old, I find myself agreeing with you more and more.

I see the "moving right" Europe has rejected the far right in Austria.

 

[EM2]

A transcript of Boris Johnson on Andrew Marr today:

 

[Busaholic]

Was the person who stood for the Labour Party in the Richmond Park by-election the same person who has written railway books?

As others have mentioned, yes, He came fifth out of six in the voting for selecting a Labour candidate for London Mayor, won by Sadiq Khan, and has now achieved the distinction of being the first Labour candidate since 1909 of losing a deposit in a by-election, getting just 3.67% of the vote. According to Wikipedia the one policy of note he put forward was to ban toilet paper, perhaps a fitting epitaph to his political career.

 

[northwichcat]

As others have mentioned, yes, He came fifth out of six in the voting for selecting a Labour candidate for London Mayor, won by Sadiq Khan, and has now achieved the distinction of being the first Labour candidate since 1909 of losing a deposit in a by-election, getting just 3.67% of the vote. According to Wikipedia the one policy of note he put forward was to ban toilet paper, perhaps a fitting epitaph to his political career.

What's his proposed alternative to toilet paper? For everyone to get constipated?

His HS2 policy is more closely matching the Green Party's official policy than Labour's.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

I don't know the answer to that one. I have never voted for the man but I will not let the actions or inactions of one man colour my view of what is best for the UK for the foreseeable future.

It seems a lot of people voted Leave because of what Farage said or did or didn't wanted to vote Remain because of Cameron getting an official HM Government leaflet printed highlighting reasons why being in the EU is good.

 

[DarloRich]

For Labour to win the Richmond seat it would require the Conservatives and Lib Dems to not put forward a candidate and for no independent to stand who is politically aligned with either of those parties..

For Labour to win in Richmond every other politician and member of the electorate would have had to be liquidated and the franchise limited to Corbyn alone. Even then I worry he wouldn't manage to cast his vote correctly

 

[Mvann]

Oh we'll thanks to Italy, the pound has risen a little bit further.

 

[Howardh]

Oh we'll thanks to Italy, the pound has risen a little bit further.

...and sank a little since you posted! One euro costs 84.40p just now. Was 83.00p earlier today (0335).
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

For Labour to win in Richmond every other politician and member of the electorate would have had to be liquidated and the franchise limited to Corbyn alone. Even then I worry he wouldn't manage to cast his vote correctly

On Friday the results are out for the Best Beard in Parliament. Although Jezza's favourite, he voted for Liz Truss.

 

[northwichcat]

On Friday the results are out for the Best Beard in Parliament. Although Jezza's favourite, he voted for Liz Truss.

Actually he got his papers mixed up meaning he finished up voting for Dianne Abbott and offered Liz Truss a role in setting new Labour policies.

 

[AlterEgo]

Actually he got his papers mixed up meaning he finished up voting for Dianne Abbott and offered Liz Truss a role in setting new Labour policies.

Wouldn't be the first time Jeremy's slipped something into Diane's box.

 

[Garmoran]

Yes John, awful wasn't it?!! No doubt she'll now be safely ensconced at LibDem HQ, practicing her lines and learning the phrases which politicians like to use to wriggle out of ligtimate but embarrassing questions;

I should imagine that interview will be used as a training medium by all political parties.

Sadly, however, I suspect that many of the people who are exulting at Miss Olney's humiliating debut in dealing with the media are people who complain about professional politicians and how few ordinary people there are to be found in Westminster. This interview should help us understand why there are few ordinary people in Parliament. I'm sure that most of us who have participated in this thread would be equally unable to cope with our opinions being challenged by Julia Hartley-Brewer. Listening to that interview is unlikely to encourage ordinary mortals to stand for Parliament.

No criticism is intended of Ms Hartley-Brewer, who was doing her job and I often share the frustration when a politician being interviewed does everything possible to give a straightforward answer or says something with no meaning at all ("Brexit means Brexit"!). However, we have had an abundance of examples recently where politicians have spoken unwisely and come to regret it (at least I hope they have), showing why they are so evasive.

Maybe we should show a bit of understanding, instead of lining up to criticise and laugh at someone who is trying to do a job that we are not prepared to do ourselves.

 

[WelshBluebird]

How can this be described as any form of Brexit?

Because the UK would not be a member of the EU anymore. It is that simple.

 

[AlterEgo]

Because the UK would not be a member of the EU anymore. It is that simple.

Indeed. And that is precisely (and only) what the referendum asked!

 

[Howardh]

Now May as well as Davies (if the Mail is to be believed) are, well, hinting, that the UK will have to pay into the EU in order to trade. How much?? The EU could ask for even more than we are paying already I suppose?!!

Pay With No Say. Or are these utterances by the top brass a subtle way to make the country change their opinion - along the grounds of it simply isn't a viable financial prospect to leave?? Could they really try to emotionally blackmail the country with "if we leave the cost will be 10 old folk's homes, 5 hospitals and we will have to empty 3 prisons - just to keep a few Bulgarians and Romanians out??

Meanwhile, on a happier note, looks like everyone will have to carry an ID card. No point just for UK EU residents, someone not supposed to be here can reply to "excuse me Mr Zyzyolski, have you any ID" with "No, I'm a UK citizen, I don't have to carry any".

Hmmm.

 

[AlterEgo]

Meanwhile, on a happier note, looks like everyone will have to carry an ID card. No point just for UK EU residents, someone not supposed to be here can reply to "excuse me Mr Zyzyolski, have you any ID" with "No, I'm a UK citizen, I don't have to carry any".

Hmmm.

It is just non-UK, but EU citizens who have the right to live here who are proposed to have the ID card.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ionals-in-post-brexit-uk-will-need-form-of-id

 

[northwichcat]

It is just non-UK, but EU citizens who have the right to live here who are proposed to have the ID card.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ionals-in-post-brexit-uk-will-need-form-of-id

So it will be like the case of the British born Asian man of Pakistani descent who had no passport and the Home Office threatened to send back home to India!

It would be a huge U turn for the Conservatives to introduce a national ID card after all the fuss they made getting rid of Gordon Brown's scheme.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

just to keep a few Bulgarians and Romanians out??

Don't forget all those people from Montenegro who Leave told us will come over when they join the EU, despite the population of Montenegro being less than the population of Leeds!

 

[Howardh]

So it will be like the case of the British born Asian man of Pakistani descent who had no passport and the Home Office threatened to send back home to India!

It would be a huge U turn for the Conservatives to introduce a national ID card after all the fuss they made getting rid of Gordon Brown's scheme.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---


Don't forget all those people from Montenegro who Leave told us will come over when they join the EU, despite the population of Montenegro being less than the population of Leeds!

Leeds is full of Yorkshiremen as it is, that's bad enough *natural dig from someone the right side of The Great Divide*
Just wish we would let in a few more Estonians - I could do with a bride!!

 

[Steveman]

Keep hearing about the impartiality of these Supreme Court judges.
I don't think anybody has yet been born who can say they are utterly without any bias, it's impossible to have very strong views on anything and be totally impartial.
I hear people say judges have to leave their personal views out of the court room, can't and isn't done, whatever anybody says people's views always colour their judgement.
They may say they're impartial, but they have to don't they.
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---

Leeds is full of Yorkshiremen as it is, that's bad enough *natural dig from someone the right side of The Great Divide*
Just wish we would let in a few more Estonians - I could do with a bride!!

If Estonians are so great why don't you go there and get one.

 

[miami]

Fortunately there's 11 of them, don't have to worry about popular opinion, have a job for life, and are likely well-respected lawyers who will individually be fine regardless of any decisions (assuming the popular press doesn't inspire any more Jo Cox style attacks by say calling them "enemies of the state")

This allows them to more easily set aside emotion and concentrate on what the law - specifically our immensely complicated constitution - tells us. They're the 3rd of the 4 boxes of liberty, and nobody wants to open the 4th.