EMR Class 360's

[221101 Voyager]

Maybe the WSP or sanding had a fault?

Possibly. Anyway back on topic as @43096 isn't very happy!

Is there any date for when a refurb or repaint of the EMR units will commence?

 

[Shunter_69]

Trust me, with everything working it’s still possible to slide a train. Don’t know why but can assure it happens.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Trust me, with everything working it’s still possible to slide a train. Don’t know why but can assure it happens.

It's a good job there wasn't a buffer stop at a terminus as this train would have smashed into it!

 

[yorkie]

Just a gentle reminder this thread is to discuss EMR Class 360's

 

[D_MTrains]

It seems like they are having another go tomorrow (10 Nov) of delivering the first 360 to Cricklewood - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04695/2020-11-10/detailed

 

[Wyrleybart]

It seems like they are having another go tomorrow (10 Nov) of delivering the first 360 to Cricklewood - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04695/2020-11-10/detailed

Rumours of the GBRf liveried class 50s and barriers from Leicester.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Based on the Class 170 thread which seems to suggest those are getting FISA LEAN seats (good choice!) - does anyone know if that is what these are going to be getting? I definitely recall a plan to reseat to 2+2?

 

[Energy]

I definitely recall a plan to reseat to 2+2?

That was definitely planned and the plans don't seem to have changed. I would imagine they will go for FISA Leans to try and keep a consistent product, at least on the non IC services.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Based on the Class 170 thread which seems to suggest those are getting FISA LEAN seats (good choice!) - does anyone know if that is what these are going to be getting? I definitely recall a plan to reseat to 2+2?

That was definitely planned and the plans don't seem to have changed. I would imagine they will go for FISA Leans to try and keep a consistent product, at least on the non IC services.

Fisa lean? If they use these on 360's that's not too bad as these seats are quite comfy on the GA units.

I would have thought they would have just opted for the 2+2 Grammer IC3000's instead, as they already have this type so just swap them for the lower density layout instead of retrofitting an entriely different kind of seat.

Plus, an IC 3000 is more comfy than a Fisa lean right?

 

[43096]

Rumours of the GBRf liveried class 50s and barriers from Leicester.

Although 50007/049 are also reported as taking some Mark 3s from Leicester to Bishop Auckland tomorrow.

 

[samuelmorris]

Fisa lean? If they use these on 360's that's not too bad as these seats are quite comfy on the GA units.

I would have thought they would have just opted for the 2+2 Grammer IC3000's instead, as they already have this type so just swap them for the lower density layout instead of retrofitting an entriely different kind of seat.

Plus, an IC 3000 is more comfy than a Fisa lean right?

The existing seats are E3000 surely? Or do you mean pulling them from their outgoing stock?

 

[221101 Voyager]

Although 50007/049 are also reported as taking some Mark 3s from Leicester to Bishop Auckland tomorrow.

The below working is timed for 45mph max? Hmm?

If it was a 47 they are usually timed for 60mph max.

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The existing seats are E3000 surely? Or do you mean pulling them from their outgoing stock?

Yes they are, what I was saying was that surely it makes more sense to just put in a 2+2 version of them than possibly messing about with Fisa leans as post 427 refers to.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fisa lean? If they use these on 360's that's not too bad as these seats are quite comfy on the GA units.

I would have thought they would have just opted for the 2+2 Grammer IC3000's instead, as they already have this type so just swap them for the lower density layout instead of retrofitting an entriely different kind of seat.

Plus, an IC 3000 is more comfy than a Fisa lean right?

360s have Grammer E3000 seats as all Desiros do (the IC3000 is the higher backed seat found in the EMR 158s among other places). They could I suppose remanufacture them to allow a 2+2 layout (they're the same base width) but I suspect they will just replace them.

I'm a big fan of the Grammer E3000, but the FISA LEAN which I've also sat in is a very similar seat.

 

[221101 Voyager]

360s have Grammer E3000 seats as all Desiros do (the IC3000 is the higher backed seat found in the EMR 158s among other places). They could I suppose remanufacture them to allow a 2+2 layout (they're the same base width) but I suspect they will just replace them.

I'm a big fan of the Grammer E3000, but the FISA LEAN which I've also sat in is a very similar seat.

I was aware of all Desiros having the EC3000, I don't know why I said IC3000!

Hopefully the 360's will get 2+2 EC3000's and job done, but leans would be alright too, but Grammers are a better option still.

 

[D_MTrains]

A pair of locomotives has set off from Leicester to Ilford, I am not sure if this is definitely for the 360 move but the timings seem to add up. It is claiming on RTT that the locos are 50049 and 50007 with “empty coaching stock” which I would assume is the barrier coaches. I could be mistaken but here is the link - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04696/2020-11-10/detailed#allox_id=0

 

[Bald Rick]

A pair of locomotives has set off from Leicester to Ilford, I am not sure if this is definitely for the 360 move but the timings seem to add up. It is claiming on RTT that the locos are 50049 and 50007 with “empty coaching stock” which I would assume is the barrier coaches. I could be mistaken but here is the link - https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K04696/2020-11-10/detailed#allox_id=0

Yes it was those two, top and tailing a pair of barriers. Although 007 had another number on it as well (I don’t do numbers, but noticed it had two).

 

[Wyrleybart]

Yes it was those two, top and tailing a pair of barriers. Although 007 had another number on it as well (I don’t do numbers, but noticed it had two).

Is it still carrying 50014 on one side ? If so it has been like it for a while, actually since it's repaint at Eastleigh.
Perhaps someone at the class 50 organisation, or GBRf liked 50014.

 

[Bald Rick]

Is it still carrying 50014 on one side ? If so it has been like it for a while, actually since it's repaint at Eastleigh.
Perhaps someone at the class 50 organisation, or GBRf liked 50014.

Yep with the appropriate nameplate!

 

[OTRail]

On the move, currently at South Tottenham I believe.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

The below working is timed for 45mph max? Hmm?

If it was a 47 they are usually timed for 60mph max.

Unbraked unit drags are now a blanket 45mph restriction.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Unbraked unit drags are now a blanket 45mph restriction.

Ah yes, I read a thread about a recent SPAD and saw the 45mph restriction is now a thing, it all makes sense now.

 

[D_MTrains]

After 2 failed attempts, the first class 360 has arrived into Cricklewood in order to transfer to EMR and begin training/testing. It seems like another one is going on Wednesday and a third one on Thursday. After that it is uncertain when the rest of the fleet will be transferred.

 

[OTRail]

360120 was today’s unit - the remaining ones I’m guessing will transfer as/when the 720s are introduced.

 

[Class 170101]

Only one went today? I thought more than one was going at a time?

 

[Supercoss]

Further 4 car Wednesday and 4 car Thursday, unable to operate 8 car drags due to depot layout restrictions at Ilford

 

[221101 Voyager]

Only one went today? I thought more than one was going at a time?

If tomorrows service runs that will be the 2nd one.

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Further 4 car Wednesday and 4 car Thursday, unable to operate 8 car drags due to depot layout restrictions at Ilford

I didn't know that. We all learn something new everyday! Will it be the 50's tomorrow as I couldn't see them today!

 

[43096]

Further 4 car Wednesday and 4 car Thursday, unable to operate 8 car drags due to depot layout restrictions at Ilford

Which handily gives a 12-car set to EMR for testing and training.

 

[OTRail]

Can they operate 12 cars at 110mph or will they be restricted like GWR’s 387s?

 

[Class 170101]

Can they operate 12 cars at 110mph or will they be restricted like GWR’s 387s?

Been said elsewhere that the Class 360s are being uprated for 110mph.

 

[Ethan1852]

The Class 360s will run at 110mph between Corby and Bedford but are limited to 100mph between Bedford and St Pancras.