Electrostar GTR cascade

[D365]

when coupled to a southeastern unit you will notice a slight difference.

Can they couple to Class 375s and run in service without modification?

 

[387star]

From various postings I glean 377207-209/211/212/214/215 back with southern leaving 377210/213 left with tl for the /2

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[Mordac]

From various postings I glean 377207-209/211/212/214/215 back with southern leaving 377210/213 left with tl for the /2

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Hasn't 211 always been Southern's? Thanks for the gen anyway, that means only 2 left with them. Cascade going along nicely now!

 

[Fincra5]

Hasn't 211 always been Southern's? Thanks for the gen anyway, that means only 2 left with them. Cascade going along nicely now!

No 211 was at TLK with the others.

 

[physics34]

Hasn't 211 always been Southern's? Thanks for the gen anyway, that means only 2 left with them. Cascade going along nicely now!

was one of the 3 which had FCC vinyls applied.

 

[Class455]

207's now returned to Southern. Saw it heading to London Bridge this morning.

 

[Class 466]

377215 is still on TL.

 

[Mordac]

No 211 was at TLK with the others.

Thanks, Wikipedia lied to me. Platform 5 books agree with you.

 

[bgstrowger]

Indeed it has!

I spotted 377502 and 377508 pulling into Victoria yesterday afternoon in shiny new Southeastern vinyls.

Did spot a revinyled Class 377 next to a refreshed Class 375 today in the carriage sidings by Grosvenor Bridge; the shades of blue do look rather similar, but I guess up close might be a different matter.

 

[Deepgreen]

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. Why has SE's policy on first class provision on their 375s changed for the refurbished 375/9s, which have two sections against the rest of the refurbished sub-classes' single section? Is it intended to allocate the 9s to specific workings where extra first class is deemed necessary? This sounds like a rostering complication doomed to fail.

 

[Alteran Ancient]

Apologies if this has been answered elsewhere. Why has SE's policy on first class provision on their 375s changed for the refurbished 375/9s, which have two sections against the rest of the refurbished sub-classes' single section? Is it intended to allocate the 9s to specific workings where extra first class is deemed necessary? This sounds like a rostering complication doomed to fail.

My guess is that they don't have any extra high-capacity (3+2) seat bodies to offset the First Class (2+2) seating that was to be replaced. Whereas the other /6 /7 and /8 refurbs could just have the existing seating re-shuffled and the bodies of the former First Class seating re-purposed with standard class moquette.

That's my theory at any rate. The original Electrostar seating bodies are probably not produced any longer, hence the "Ironing Boards" that we all love to complain about nowadays.

 

[Class 466]

The only reason first class was moved on the 375/6/7/8s was to increase standard class capacity on the low density units.

 

[JonathanH]

My guess is that they don't have any extra high-capacity (3+2) seat bodies to offset the First Class (2+2) seating that was to be replaced. Whereas the other /6 /7 and /8 refurbs could just have the existing seating re-shuffled and the bodies of the former First Class seating re-purposed with standard class moquette.

That's my theory at any rate. The original Electrostar seating bodies are probably not produced any longer, hence the "Ironing Boards" that we all love to complain about nowadays.

Oh oops, deleted.

 

[Class 466]

These are the current SX 377/5 Diagrams on SE:

GT101/102
5F93 05+42 Ashford Down Sidings to Ashford Int’l
1F93 0624 Ashford Int’l to London Blackfriars
5Y87 08+12 London Blackfriars to London Victoria
5Y88 08+45 London Victoria to Grosvenor Shed
5N50 15+54 Grosvenor Shed to London Victoria
2N50 1622 London Victoria to Ashford Int’l
5N50 17+59 Ashford Int’l to Ashford Down Sidings
5A68 20+11 Ashford Down Sidings to Ashford Int’l
2A68 2038 Ashford Int’l to London Victoria
5A68 22+14 London Victoria to Grosvenor Shed

GT103/104
5A16 07+05 Ashford Up Sidings to Ashford Int’l
2A16 0711 Ashford Int’l to London Victoria
5A16 09+29 London Victoria to Grosvenor Shed
5N60 17+20 Grosvenor Shed to London Victoria
2N60 1742 London Victoria to Ashford Int’l
2A64 1938 Ashford Int’l to London Victoria
Units then split to form:

GT103
2N78 2152 London Victoria to Ashford Int’l
5N78 23+24 Ashford Int’l to Ashford Down Sidings

GT104
2N76 2122 London Victoria to Ashford Int’l
5N76 23+00 Ashford Int’l to Ashford Down Sidings

GT105/106
5K90 06+15 Grosvenor Shed to London Victoria
3K90 06+34 London Victoria to Sole Street
2K91 0737 Sole Street to London Blackfriars
5B91 08+50 London Blackfriars to Bromley South
1B90 0932 Bromley South to London Victoria
5B90 10+04 London Victoria to Bellingham Sidings
5B93 16+45 Bellingham Sidings to London Blackfriars
1F93 1747 London Blackfriars to Ashford Int’l
5F93 19+34 Ashford Int’l to Ashford Down Sidings
(Shunts to Up Sidings FSX)

GT107/108
On Hand at Selhurst Depot

 

[ScotGG]

Thanks for that. Have any Metro routes benefited from cascaded networkers? I was hoping my peak train to and from Victoria would be 8 coaches but still 6 is the norm and 4 quite common.

Quite painful to see rammed trains without being able to board whilst 319s are going into storage and could've been a good stop-gap if forward planning by the DfT and NR had been thought about the past few years.

 

[ScotGG]

Thanks for that. Have any Metro routes benefited from cascaded networkers? I was hoping my peak train to and from Victoria would be 8 coaches but still 6 is the norm and 4 quite common.

Quite painful to have rammed trains without being able to board whilst 319s are going into storage and could've been a good stop-gap if forward planning by the DfT and NR had been thought about the past few years.

 

[physics34]

Thanks for that. Have any Metro routes benefited from cascaded networkers? I was hoping my peak train to and from Victoria would be 8 coaches but still 6 is the norm and 4 quite common.

Quite painful to have rammed trains without being able to board whilst 319s are going into storage and could've been a good stop-gap if forward planning by the DfT and NR had been thought about the past few years.

seems to issues with lack of berthing space which is affecting SE having extra stock.

 

[ScotGG]

seems to issues with lack of berthing space which is affecting SE having extra stock.

That's what I meant by the DfT and NR failing to plan ahead and provide more sidings whilst continuously giving short term franchise extensions the past 6 years. That's stopped 319s being used.

But aren't these 377s being kept in Southern sidings, so should allow Networker cadcades?

 

[387star]

Have all 377/2 left thameslink now?

 

[westcoaster]

Have all 377/2 left thameslink now?

Yes, last weekend iirc.