it's not just about speed though, it's about overall capacity, and encouraging more public transport use. For all the naysayers who claimed that the Newhaven extension wouldn't be worth it (for all the same reasons: slower, people wouldn't use it because the buses were good enough - yet even I'm still always surprised at exactly how packed the trams always are), they were proved wrong - and nobody has presented any evidence that the north/south route wouldn't be as successful, apart from just pure nimbyism.
Yes, the Newhaven extension caused me a lot of disruption too, living pretty close to it, but I could live with it knowing the benefits it was going to bring.
Then encourage more public transport use by running more buses!
I live close to the proposed route. For me all it’s going to do is reduce the current door to door bus offering in favour of the tram which is a good 10-15 minutes walk away. The tram wouldn’t take me door to door and is slower than my current bus offering. Some will benefit but most in this area won’t. So who exactly benefits then? If we’re being sensible, then keep the current bus offering (minus the 22) and then assume it’s left for growth. Both you and me know full well though that is not how that will actually play out. Various routes will have to be adjusted/cut for this to be a success.
Trams when executed well are very useful, but while they can move more people they are limited in that they are only useful on busy and direct corridors.
That’s exactly what happened with the Newhaven route. This idea that more people use public transport I find hard to believe. People have just shifted rather than actual growth, or if there is growth, it’s minimal. Way below cost-benefit. Most of the buses up and down Leith Walk are less frequent, coincidence? A number of routes were altered/removed too. Not to mention the damage to a lot of the established businesses in Leith Walk. Many didn’t survive. Those that did are slightly busier than before. Not to mention, if you increase the population, then it’s just a fact that there’s more people available to use public transport. I’d be interested to look at actual independent and transparent figures of what capacity/frequency was available before the Trams and what is the case now, with the increase in population added fairly. Ie if 10% used public transport before this then 10% of the population growth is factored in too. I’m not saying they’d be dreadful, but they won’t look as nice as those in favour of trams would have you believe. I’m basically just saying, be realistic.
Don’t get me started on the cycle lanes either. An idea that could’ve had something behind it and its execution was in places just downright dangerous. Again, much of it works, but nobody wins with a lot of what was created.
Please don’t think I’m having a go at your idea. I’m not, I’m simply trying to explain my rationale as I have major concerns about this.
Well that's just a little bit fatalistic, is it not?
Edinburgh is the fastest growing city by population outside of the South and the Midlands, the city with the highest Gross Value Added over time outside of the Thames Valley, the city with the second highest proportion of people with higher education after Cambridge, the second highest living standards after London, the highest wages outside of the South East.
Edinburgh is going to be a building site for the rest of our lives, so I think we can all put up with ten years of building works to open a new tram line.
Forgive me, but why should we as taxpayers put up with more building works? The council for decades have wasted their budget - as have most councils. We’re even in a day where you have to pay for brown bins now. The council suggests they’re broke yet they can pull this out of the bag? Granted a chunk of this will come from Holyrood but a lot of it will come out of everyone’s tax. I smell a lie or two. Just to be clear as well I feel everybody politically is as bad as each other, so it’s not like this administration is better than that one etc.
I want to believe this can work, that it can be a success. I’ve been to Nottingham two or three times now and the system there is almost faultless. It does exactly what you need it to. It seems to run way better than Edinburgh’s does. Is it perfect? No. Yet they seem to be able to do it far better than most other places.
As I say, I can’t be in favour of something that costs way more than it should with minimal benefit to myself, if anything it will likely be damaging owing to the inevitability of a poorer bus network. I’m sure those on its doorstep will feel differently about it.