Dunbar

[Bluebell]

Due to the snow there are no trains stopping at Dunbar despite both East Coast and Cross Country running a partial service.

The official reason behind dropping Dunbar from the emergency timetable is that the train speed must be kept high to attain traction during snowy/icy conditions. The incline to the station from the south causes problems therefore the train companies won't slow down and stop in Dunbar.

Interestingly this wasn't an issue during the heavy snow fall at the beginning of the year and the conspiracy theorists are very busy!!

Does anyone out there know the 'real' story? :roll:

 

[YorkshireBear]

dont want to risk points getting froze on ecml while its happening literally everywhere else in country?

 

[me123]

That's what I've heard. They don't want to disrupt the ECML with a points failure.

 

[Bluebell]

Thanks.....hopefully that will provide an acceptable explanation to the locals. I'm not holding my breath though!

 

[me123]

Don't think the locals will like it. But it's probably for the "greater good".

 

[Metroland]

There is a snow contingecy plan held in every signal box/control room. Some strategic junctions are kept working by a combination of snow clearance/point heaters/frequent working of points via individual point controls etc. Other junctions do not have such high priority. Clearly NR do not want to have people stationed out at a minor junction(s) like Dunbar, when resources are better used elsewhere.

 

[Aictos]

There is a snow contingecy plan held in every signal box/control room. Some strategic junctions are kept working by a combination of snow clearance/point heaters/frequent working of points via individual point controls etc. Other junctions do not have such high priority. Clearly NR do not want to have people stationed out at a minor junction(s) like Dunbar, when resources are better used elsewhere.

What would you consider Drem then as that's a junction used by the North Berwick services as well as the East Coast and Cross Country services, being delayed here is not good.

One good thing about Drem is it has loops on both the Up and Down plus both are electrified however how long are the loops, can they for example take a full length Class 91 + Mk4 + Thunderbird?

 

[Andrew Nelson]

Surely, if there is problems with adhesion when starting, this would also apply to stopping too....

Frightening!!!!

 

[DaveNewcastle]

but its got nothing to do with adhesion. The OP was misinformed.

The points at Dunbar were locked and scotched in their 'normal' position on Monday to prevent the risk of them failing to 'normalise' after being opened to allow movements into the loop (the loop which is Dunbar station). That is a risk when snow can compact between the rail and the moving end, preventing full closure and thereby creating a serious hazard to manline traffic. That remains the position today.

 

[Welshman]

So Network Rail does not have point heaters at Dunbar- or they have and they don't trust them to work.

 

[CarterUSM]

So Network Rail does not have point heaters at Dunbar- or they have and they don't trust them to work.

I wouldn't trust any points heaters to work. I'd be surprised if they were operative in the first place..........

 

[Andrew Nelson]

but its got nothing to do with adhesion. The OP was misinformed.

The points at Dunbar were locked and scotched in their 'normal' position on Monday to prevent the risk of them failing to 'normalise' after being opened to allow movements into the loop (the loop which is Dunbar station). That is a risk when snow can compact between the rail and the moving end, preventing full closure and thereby creating a serious hazard to manline traffic. That remains the position today.

Yes, Misinformed by the "Official Reason", or as We like to call it in Yorkshire....

Lied to by the "Authorities".

 

[Tomnick]

The points at Dunbar were locked and scotched...

Were they actually clipped and scotched, or just being left in the normal position? I'd have thought getting a man out to clip them up would be rather counter-productive!

 

[Legzr1]

One good thing about Drem is it has loops on both the Up and Down plus both are electrified however how long are the loops, can they for example take a full length Class 91 + Mk4 + Thunderbird?

I'd expect so - you can fit a 66 + 23 HTA's in there (just).