Apart from the fact the route in question wasn't able to be part of the ZEBRA 2 application as there were no electric buses that can fit under a very low bridge. Not sure if there are even really suitable ones now - the E100EV I think will fit, but capacity not enough for the route.
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Falcon1200
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In Scotland, McGills 3 (Neilston/Glasgow) route was recently retimed with buses now waiting several minutes in Neilston, which has improved reliability. However the stop at which they wait usually has cars parked opposite so the bus either almost blocks the road, or has to park on the pavement blocking that instead! They are however electric buses so noise is not an issue, at least.
Only if the issue was noise / exhaust pollution.
Hyebone
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It's almost a daily occurrence with this member of the public.
aaronspence
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These people will find something else to moan about, the whine of the motor, the colour of the bus...
Ah, is this a known problem then? (I guess you've identified the spot - Walton Back Lane on the 90/90A)
Any idea what their specific gripe is?
Hyebone
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Yep, exactly what I thought.
Noise I think, or just something to moan about! There are no problems as far as I'm aware with EVs on the 91 evenings and Sundays.
Problem is cycle lanes get put in a blaze of publicity and then subject to absolute no maintenance. Typically they are full of puncture causing sharp grit if not glass. Bear in mind many cyclists will do a ride of many miles it may be the first time they have come across a cycle lane and wary of experience will avoid them.
On the subject of early running my local service will annoyingly wait time two stops before mine as it is a timing point and has a layby. It does mean the previous stop which has a layby is never waited at and two stops before that, although on road, is a two way road three lanes wide so a wait could easilly be made there, given also houses are set some distance away.
sytransport
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This isn’t by any chance the clown at Loxley is it who doesn’t like to sit in his front room and look at a bus, so decides to go through the effort of coming out to tell the driver and 9 times out of 10 gets told to jog on is it?
We seem to be amassing a collection! Chesterfield, not Sheffield this one. More than likely the sort of person who buys a house next to a church then spends the rest of their life complaining about the bells. It's not as if bus stops are hard to spot, and - who knew? - buses stop there.
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Couldn't agree more! My Bus Stop is a timing point. Very convenient.
I think, if you don't want Buses Stopping outside your house. Don't move in next to a Bus Stop.
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Couldn't agree more! My Bus Stop is a timing point. Very convenient.
I think, if you don't want Buses Stopping outside your house. Don't move in next to a Bus Stop.
I think, if you don't want Buses Stopping outside your house. Don't move in next to a Bus Stop.
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Couldn't agree more! My Bus Stop is a timing point. Very convenient.
I think, if you don't want Buses Stopping outside your house. Don't move in next to a Bus Stop.
Plenty of them around.
A friend of mine runs events and even had the police turn up for a cancelled gig once. Some local nutter had complained based on the advert despite the total absence of music
Cheers Drive
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When I was doing the X54 from Weymouth to Axminster a few years back I got to St Andrews Church Charmouth which was a timing point loaded up and had to wait 4/5 mins as thay day roads were quiet. I had the engine off as I would waiting time anywhere.
A tractor started beeping me and shouting from across the road and I waved & pointed at my watch. He kept beeping then stormed across the road shouting. I am calm anyway but I knew what was coming. I explained to him I had to wait a few minutes and that the company not only are strict on this as I had already been told but that the company can be fined £10k for leaving early and I could see people coming down the road for the bus. He told me I had to move as I was blocking him from exiting his lane on the opposite side of the road I could not move forward as there isnt room if you look on street maps you’ll see cars parked directly in front of stop and I can’t leave the stop because I could get a disciplinary warning which first have done to driver and councils do watch the timing points especially in village like this. He was swearing calling me a jobsworth and so many other things. I stayed calm but inside it gets you anxious and on edge because you also have a bus full of people looking and the people in the street. But I won’t back down I left 58 seconds earlier to be a bit helpful but still the amount of disrespect people give bus drivers when we are doing what we are told to do and there are consequences is awful. The only time I would move is if I was blocking someone in or it was an emergency vehicle needed the space.
Even if you leave the last timing point on time you can still end up early for the next it all depends on how busy it is and how the route is timed some sections are tight and others are ridiculous you end up crawling along at 20 trying to waste time so you don’t end up waiting at every single timing point. But as a bus enthusiast it does give me time to get some good shots. Patience is the key to being a good PCV driver.
A tractor started beeping me and shouting from across the road and I waved & pointed at my watch. He kept beeping then stormed across the road shouting. I am calm anyway but I knew what was coming. I explained to him I had to wait a few minutes and that the company not only are strict on this as I had already been told but that the company can be fined £10k for leaving early and I could see people coming down the road for the bus. He told me I had to move as I was blocking him from exiting his lane on the opposite side of the road I could not move forward as there isnt room if you look on street maps you’ll see cars parked directly in front of stop and I can’t leave the stop because I could get a disciplinary warning which first have done to driver and councils do watch the timing points especially in village like this. He was swearing calling me a jobsworth and so many other things. I stayed calm but inside it gets you anxious and on edge because you also have a bus full of people looking and the people in the street. But I won’t back down I left 58 seconds earlier to be a bit helpful but still the amount of disrespect people give bus drivers when we are doing what we are told to do and there are consequences is awful. The only time I would move is if I was blocking someone in or it was an emergency vehicle needed the space.
Even if you leave the last timing point on time you can still end up early for the next it all depends on how busy it is and how the route is timed some sections are tight and others are ridiculous you end up crawling along at 20 trying to waste time so you don’t end up waiting at every single timing point. But as a bus enthusiast it does give me time to get some good shots. Patience is the key to being a good PCV driver.
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Mark L
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Yes. Regulation 98 of the Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 applies.
See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1986/1078/regulation/98
Would paragraph 2b not apply here, namely where the machinery is required to be worked for a purpose other than driving the vehicle.
You could argue that heating is required which needs the engine to be running. (On this model and in the weather conditions prevalent on the day)
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