"Do not go on the track" : is this all going too far.......

[Antman]

And what happens when it isn't one of those?

As I said, keeping digging your hole, because it is getting deeper and deeper.

I've been accused of digging a hole as well by somebody else, seems anybody that puts forward an alternative view gets similarly accused

 

[Harbornite]

I don`t think it is irrelevant at all :

We already debunked your crappy argument, don't bother repeating it

 

[Justin Smith]

What about trains doing more than 10mph?

I can`t remember ever seeing a train go through there at any speed I`d call fast. Does anyone know what the speed limit is at Doncaster on the track next to platform 8 ?
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We already debunked your crappy argument, don't bother repeating it

I don`t consider you have.

 

[Harbornite]

I've been accused of digging a hole as well by somebody else, seems anybody that puts forward an alternative view gets similarly accused

Nothing wrong with alternative views, but if they are wrong then don't get all touchy when people start questioning them. This thread isn't the first in which you have spouted ill informed crap.

 

[Flamingo]

I have been involved (at least in the congestion) in two fatalities caused by young women jumping down onto the track to retrieve their mobile phones. Apparently the last words of one, when her friends shouted a warning, was "Don't worry, they'll stop when they see me".

As well as being unbelievably stupid and dangerous, nobody has pointed out it is illegal, with a £1000 fine.

If anybody on this site thinks that all the arguments are unreasonable, the only advice I can give them is travel by bus. I think I'm talking for all the railstaff on the site when I say my colleagues and I don't want you anywhere near our workplace with that attitude.

 

[Harbornite]

I can`t remember ever seeing a train go through there at any speed I`d call fast. Does anyone know what the speed limit is at Doncaster on the track next to platform 8 ?
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I don`t consider you have.

I have, trains take longer to brake and the platforms are higher so they restrict movement, plus there's the anti-trespass rules.

 

[highdyke]

I've been accused of digging a hole as well by somebody else, seems anybody that puts forward an alternative view gets similarly accused

LOL I wouldn't worry too much, we've had weeks of railwaymen on here debate the pros and cons of DOO, even though said system has been deemed safe by the organisation that does all these risks and writes the rules: The Rail Safety and Standards board.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander eh?!

 

[Antman]

Nothing wrong with alternative views, but if they are wrong then don't get all touchy when people start questioning them. This thread isn't the first in which you have spouted ill informed crap.

Keep the insults coming, water off a ducks back to me! Now who is the one digging themselves into a hole? When rational debate fails then resort to abuse eh?:roll:

 

[Harbornite]

LOL I wouldn't worry too much, we've had weeks of railwaymen on here debate the pros and cons of DOO, even though said system has been deemed safe by the organisation that does all these risks and writes and the rules: The Rail Safety and Standards boards.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander eh?!

This thread isn't about DOO, though. Do you think hopping onto the tracks to retrieve a phone at a busy station is a good idea, ignoring the legalities of this.

 

[highdyke]

This thread isn't about DOO, though. Do you think hopping onto the tracks to retrieve a phone at a busy station is a good idea, ignoring the legalities of this.

LOL Of course I don't. But people will always challenge ideas, that's fine by me, keep it coming.

 

[Harbornite]

Keep the insults coming, water off a ducks back to me! Now who is the one digging themselves into a hole? When rational debate fails then resort to abuse eh?:roll:

Quite ironic really, you're the irrational one and most of the forum seems to agree. When someone you know tries to retrieve a phone from a railway line and gets ****ted, I will quote this back to you.
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LOL Of course I don't. But people will always challenge ideas, that's fine by me, keep it coming.

This is a forum so you should expect two points of view and criticism of people for spouting nonsense. Also, considering that this forum is frequented by rail staff, are you surprised that DOO isn't popular? Neither are knowalls who think the rules don't apply because the people who made them are "nazis", an entirely rational argument of course.

 

[Dave1987]

I've witnessed passengers jump down into the 4 foot to retrieve their belongings they have dropped. All have been detained and then arrested by BTP and then charged or cautioned appropriately. CCTV evidence on stations is a slam dunk. It's against railway byelaws to trespass on the track. If you do so and get caught expect to be dealt with. End of really. I think BTP spend to much time clearing up the mess that results from people trespassing so they take a very firm line on it.

 

[Flamingo]

LOL I wouldn't worry too much, we've had weeks of railwaymen on here debate the pros and cons of DOO, even though said system has been deemed safe by the organisation that does all these risks and writes and the rules: The Rail Safety and Standards board.

What's good for the goose is good for the gander eh?!

No, we've had weeks of railwaymen and women saying the con's of DOO.

I haven't seen any railwaymen saying there are any pro's to it.

 

[Darandio]

I've been accused of digging a hole as well by somebody else, seems anybody that puts forward an alternative view gets similarly accused

There shouldn't an alternative view, it's as simple as that.

 

[highdyke]

This is a forum so you should expect two points of view and criticism of people for spouting nonsense. Also, considering that this forum is frequented by rail staff, are you surprised that DOO isn't popular? Neither are knowalls who think the rules don't apply because the people who made them are "nazis", an entirely rational argument of course.

Two points of view is the spice of the world and makes us human. It's shutting down debates with insults, war, fights, laws worries me.

I'm sticking up for him to keep it friendly, not because I think he's right.

 

[Antman]

Quite ironic really, you're the irrational one and most of the forum seems to agree. When someone you know tries to retrieve a phone from a railway line and gets ****ted, I will quote this back to you.
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This is a forum so you should expect two points of view and criticism of people for spouting nonsense. Also, considering that this forum is frequented by rail staff, are you surprised that DOO isn't popular? Neither are knowalls who think the rules don't apply because the people who made them are "nazis", an entirely rational argument of course.

Oh gosh, more insults. And I've never heard the term '****ted' before

 

[highdyke]

No, we've had weeks of railwaymen and women saying the con's of DOO.

I haven't seen any railwaymen saying there are any pro's to it.

Correction *some* railwaymen. I'm just illustrating why some people don't always agree with laws and rules.

 

[Minilad]

Is DOO the new Godwin's Law?

There are certainly people on here that could start a fight alone in a room

 

[Flamingo]

Correction *some* railwaymen. I'm just illustrating why some people don't always agree with laws and rules.

Please tell me the rail staff who disagree?

 

[EM2]

I can`t remember ever seeing a train go through there at any speed I`d call fast. Does anyone know what the speed limit is at Doncaster on the track next to platform 8 ?

No idea, but I'd say that this GC HST is doing well above 10 mph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyWqm8GlZvo

 

[Antman]

I've witnessed passengers jump down into the 4 foot to retrieve their belongings they have dropped. All have been detained and then arrested by BTP and then charged or cautioned appropriately. CCTV evidence on stations is a slam dunk. It's against railway byelaws to trespass on the track. If you do so and get caught expect to be dealt with. End of really. I think BTP spend to much time clearing up the mess that results from people trespassing so they take a very firm line on it.

I've seen passengers do that too but none have been arrested to my knowledge although BTP weren't there at the time:cry:

 

[highdyke]

There shouldn't an alternative view, it's as simple as that.

Except when it's DOO eh? LOL You couldn't make this stuff up.

 

[Greenback]

No DOO in this thread, please.

 

[Darandio]

I'm sticking up for him to keep it friendly, not because I think he's right.

No, it's because you cannot resist an argument.

There is no other reason to bring the DOO argument over to this thread other than for that purpose.

 

[Philip Phlopp]

No DOO in this thread, please.

Lock it up - the tresspassing is fine and dandy brigade won't listen until they're just another job for the steam cleaning crew.

 

[Darandio]

Except when it's DOO eh? LOL You couldn't make this stuff up.

This isn't about DOO.

Why should there be an alternative argument to something that is dangerous, highly unresponsible and illegal?

There isn't an alternative, you know it, Antman knows it, the OP knows it. Anything otherwise is trolling.

Insulted? Sue me.

 

[Deepgreen]

Two points of view is the spice of the world and makes us human. It's shutting down debates with insults, war, fights, laws worries me.

I'm sticking up for him to keep it friendly, not because I think he's right.

Very laudable regarding the friendliness, but, fundamentally, railway trespass is illegal, dangerous and causes hugely disproportional delay so there really aren't two sides of a 'debate' here. Now, possibly if the question had been 'should it be made legal' to do what the OP briefly considered doing, the responses may have been a little different (but not very, I suspect).

 

[highdyke]

It's not about DOO and we shouldn't discuss it further. My point was sometimes people challenge ideas, and question rules, and that's not always a bad idea.

 

[Harbornite]

Except when it's DOO eh? LOL You couldn't make this stuff up.

You are deluded. There are two sides to the DOO debate, there aren't two sides to this debate. Try tellng that to the relatives of those individuals who have ended up splattered across the front of a train.

 

[highdyke]

You are deluded. There are two sides to the DOO debate, there aren't two sides to this debate. Try tellng that to the relatives of those individuals who have ended up splattered across the front of a train.

You've missed the point by a country mile...but no worries carry on.