Destination blinds on class 455

[miklcct]

Does anyone know the complete list of the destination blind on the South Western Railway class 455 units, with the route numbers?

 

[221101 Voyager]

Does anyone know the complete list of the destination blind on the South Western Railway class 455 units, with the route numbers?

Here’s the SWT ones on the Armstrong Powerhouse class 455 EP manual for train sim if that helps

 

[Class455]

Here’s the SWT ones on the Armstrong Powerhouse class 455 EP manual for train sim if that helps

On a side note, what do all the route numbers on the via points mean (e.g. via Kingston 32)?

 

[221101 Voyager]

On a side note, what do all the route numbers on the via points mean (e.g. via Kingston 32)?

Hmm I’m not sure

I think it’s a thing that came about in BR days potentially, then it’s continued on some units today.

319s for example used to have route numbers, but then they stopped using them even when they had roller blinds still I think.

 

[adc82140]

Courtesy of the Southern Railway Email Group website:

Southern Region Headcodes

In the slammer era, the route code was all you had to guide you. For example 63 is a Basingstoke stopper, 81 is Portsmouth via Guilford fast.

Are these codes still in use officially anywhere?

 

[miklcct]

Courtesy of the Southern Railway Email Group website:

Southern Region Headcodes

In the slammer era, the route code was all you had to guide you. For example 63 is a Basingstoke stopper, 81 is Portsmouth via Guilford fast.

Are these codes still in use officially anywhere?

They are still in the timetable data for GW and SW services, although the numbers for GW services does not match the actual number shown on the train rendering them useless. I've dumped the most common origin / destination combinations for each 2-digit code out of it (only showing SW services here, which do match the codes shown on the 455s):

[
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "WOKING",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "10"
  },
  {
    "origin": "WEYBRIDGE",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "13"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "GUILDFORD",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "16"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "DORKING",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "17"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "CHESSINGTON SOUTH",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "18"
  },
  {
    "origin": "EPSOM",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "19"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "21"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "SHEPPERTON",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "24"
  },
  {
    "origin": "ALDERSHOT",
    "destination": "ASCOT",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "28"
  },
  {
    "origin": "GUILDFORD",
    "destination": "FARNHAM",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "29"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "HAMPTON COURT",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "30"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "32"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "READING 4/5/6",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "38"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "GUILDFORD",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "42"
  },
  {
    "origin": "SHEPPERTON",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "47"
  },
  {
    "origin": "WOKING",
    "destination": "ALTON",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "51"
  },
  {
    "origin": "ALTON",
    "destination": "WOKING",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "52"
  },
  {
    "origin": "ALTON",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "53"
  },
  {
    "origin": "WINDSOR & ETON RIVERSIDE",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "57"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "WINDSOR & ETON RIVERSIDE",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "58"
  },
  {
    "origin": "YEOVIL PEN MILL",
    "destination": "YEOVIL JUNCTION",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "62"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "BASINGSTOKE",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "63"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "BASINGSTOKE",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "64"
  },
  {
    "origin": "KINGSTON",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "68"
  },
  {
    "origin": "COSHAM",
    "destination": "EASTLEIGH",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "74"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "GUILDFORD",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "75"
  },
  {
    "origin": "HASLEMERE",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "81"
  },
  {
    "origin": "HAVANT",
    "destination": "PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "83"
  },
  {
    "origin": "EASTLEIGH",
    "destination": "PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "84"
  },
  {
    "origin": "PORTSMOUTH HARBOUR",
    "destination": "SOUTHAMPTON CENTRAL",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "85"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "87"
  },
  {
    "origin": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "89"
  },
  {
    "origin": "BOURNEMOUTH",
    "destination": "WEYMOUTH",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "92"
  },
  {
    "origin": "BROCKENHURST",
    "destination": "LYMINGTON PIER",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "97"
  },
  {
    "origin": "WOKING",
    "destination": "LONDON WATERLOO",
    "toc": "SW",
    "headcode": "99"
  }
]

 

[swt_passenger]

Courtesy of the Southern Railway Email Group website:

Southern Region Headcodes

In the slammer era, the route code was all you had to guide you. For example 63 is a Basingstoke stopper, 81 is Portsmouth via Guilford fast.

Are these codes still in use officially anywhere?

No, but the OP seems to be desperate to reintroduce them, given the number of posts he makes about them.

 

[4SubAsociation]

Funny you mention this. We (as in the Suburban Electric Railway Assocation) have just installed a Ex White 455 blind for the 457 (exact same). We managed to get x2 late last year. Here is the list on the Roller

Chertsey
Chessington
Dorking
Effingham Junction
Epson
Feltham
Guildford

Horsham
Houndslow
Kingston
Richmond
Sheperton
Staines

Strawberry Hill
Twickenham
Waterloo
Weybridge
Wimbledon
Windor and Eton Riverside
Woking

Special
Depot
Not In Service

 

[miklcct]

Hmm I’m not sure

I think it’s a thing that came about in BR days potentially, then it’s continued on some units today.

319s for example used to have route numbers, but then they stopped using them even when they had roller blinds still I think.

Thanks for the list. The reason I want to have a complete list is to find out the official list of route numbers still in use today which are shown to passengers today when the train arrives, as contrast to historical usage.

 

[Gloster]

They were an excellent idea dating back to the early days of the South Western electrics: in those days they were just a single letter in the middle of the front end, sometimes with some lines above to indicate variations. There was a famous Hovis ad showing a line of five sets with the headcodes (genuine ones) reading H O V I S.

They were of practical use as regular passengers would know what headcodes served their station, rather than just having the name of the destination of the service, which might skip their station. My slightly deaf uncle usually travelled home from Waterloo, but sometimes used to come back from Wimbledon. He knew that he just had to wait until a train with 42 on the front appeared.

 

[MCR247]

Courtesy of the Southern Railway Email Group website:

Southern Region Headcodes

In the slammer era, the route code was all you had to guide you. For example 63 is a Basingstoke stopper, 81 is Portsmouth via Guilford fast.

Are these codes still in use officially anywhere?

Not sure about officially but I saw a 450 at Clapham Junction yesterday evening with the (admittedly small and somewhat inflexible) front display was only displaying the route number (56 I believe) with side displays I think saying ‘Woking via Richmond 56’ with the number in bold

 

[miklcct]

Not sure about officially but I saw a 450 at Clapham Junction yesterday evening with the (admittedly small and somewhat inflexible) front display was only displaying the route number (56 I believe) with side displays I think saying ‘Woking via Richmond 56’ with the number in bold

I don't think there is an official route 56 - do you know if the train goes via Hounslow (which is officially route 99) or not?

 

[MCR247]

I don't think there is an official route 56 - do you know if the train goes via Hounslow (which is officially route 99) or not?

I can’t remember the route number so probably wasn’t 56 but it definitely said via Richmond

 

[norbitonflyer]

Southern Region Headcodes

Woking via Richmond was 26

56 was Portsmouth to Salisbury

 

[Flange Squeal]

Are these codes still in use officially anywhere?

Traincrew schedule cards still show them in the margin, even on non-455 routes.

I never made a note of all the things featured on them, but the current blue ones do feature (from memory) some exotic locations on the non driver's side side such as Basingstoke, Haslemere, Horsham, Kensington, Sorry, Special and West Croydon in amongst their more commonly sighted destinations. I think Aldershot is also in there somewhere. The driver's side via points also include things like Olympia (to go with Kensington), Rugby Special, For Cleaning and Not in Service (to go with the other side's Sorry). That said, there are/were some variations of blind floating around, normally in a lighter blue colour.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Thanks for the list. The reason I want to have a complete list is to find out the official list of route numbers still in use today which are shown to passengers today when the train arrives, as contrast to historical usage.

You’re welcome

 

[adc82140]

I never made a note of all the things featured on them, but the current blue ones do feature (from memory) some exotic locations on the non driver's side side such as Basingstoke, Haslemere, Horsham, Kensington, Sorry, Special and West Croydon in amongst their more commonly sighted destinations. I think Aldershot is also in there somewhere. The driver's side via points also include things like Olympia (to go with Kensington), Rugby Special, For Cleaning and Not in Service (to go with the other side's Sorry).

I once, in the early 90s,during disruption, got on a 455 to Fleet on a Basingstoke stopper. The 1st class punters, and the smokers were not amused.

 

[MCR247]

Southern Region Headcodes

Woking via Richmond was 26

56 was Portsmouth to Salisbury

Ah 26 yes that was it. Thanks

 

[Ianigsy]

I can still remember the head code numbers from when I lived in Canterbury in the mid-1990s. 30 was the fast train to Victoria and 50 was the fast Ramsgate to Victoria which was useful to change into and out of at Faversham.