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Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8476146.stm
And from STV: http://news.stv.tv/scotland/152391-train-derails-near-station/
And from STV: http://news.stv.tv/scotland/152391-train-derails-near-station/
Train derails near station
Passenger train with 62 on board comes off tracks as it approaches Dingwall Station.
By Lesley Kinney
22 January 2010 18:44 PM
A passenger train carry 62 people has come off the tracks near Dingwall Station.
The front carriage of the Inverness to Ardgay train derailed as it appoached the station at 17.45pm on Friday.
Network Rail said the train was carrying 60 passengers along with one driver and an attendant. One woman suffered minor injuries.
Emergency services were at the scene and helped evacuate the passengers from the two-carriage train.
Marie O'Brien, who was travelling to Invergordon, described how the train shook as it derailed only 100 yards from the station.
She said: "Everyone was in shock, I was shaking. I am just relieved it never came right off and tumbled over. The train was slow as it was coming to the station, which was maybe just as well.
"Then whole thing started shaking and we were holding onto the tables. Then came to a grinding halt."
The route has now been closed while investigations are carried out into the cause of the derailment.
John MacDonald, group manager with the fire service, said: "Fire and rescue attended with our partner agencies to make the scene safe and to assist the passengers and evacuate from the train safely with the use of ladders."
Four appliances and an emergency tender were on the scene.
A Network Rail spokesman said: "We can confirm the derailment of the 17.15 service from Inverness to Ardgay on its approach to Dingwall Station, at very low speed.
"Everyone is now off the train and ScotRail are finding alternative arrangements for passengers to continue their journey.
"The route will now be closed until the train is back on the rails and we have investigated the accident and make sure it is safe for trains to run again. The safety of passengers is our priority."
A spokeswoman for Northern Constabulary said emergency services: "We believe the front carriage slightly derailed on the approach to the station with 60 people on board and a driver and attendant. There are not believed to be any serious injuries."
Last updated: 22 January 2010, 21:31
Kingfisher200262
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How on earth do you slightly derail a train?
MCR247
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http://2h80.fotopic.net/p63027641.html
I did not take these photos, but I live just round the corner and passed the scene lastnight. With 5 Fire Engines, A couple of ambulances and several Police Cars. Obviously if the coach tipped, it would have been a different story! Was speaking to a friend who was on the train, who says people did appear very nervous.
All bogies are off the track as you can see in the pictures. These are spring-loaded points defaulting to the Northbound Platform with no Signal Centre Control. The Lairg tanks passed just half an hour before Trailing the Points.
Following the incident at Inverurie a couple of years ago when a 170 took both tracks of loop, causing one bogie on one loop the other on the south etc... a speed limit of 15-20mph has been in place on all Highland Lines. My thought is that the points "did the splits" which used to happen to my model railway, when both blades of the points would not come away from the either side.
You can also see unit in Dingwall Station from the photo. Three units have been stranded north and all 3 are just operating shuttle services from 2x Wick-Dingwall-Wick and 1x Kyle-Dingwall-Kyle. Don't know how much fuel they will have left.
Any Ideas how they rerail when all 4 bogies are off? Will it need a crane?
I did not take these photos, but I live just round the corner and passed the scene lastnight. With 5 Fire Engines, A couple of ambulances and several Police Cars. Obviously if the coach tipped, it would have been a different story! Was speaking to a friend who was on the train, who says people did appear very nervous.
All bogies are off the track as you can see in the pictures. These are spring-loaded points defaulting to the Northbound Platform with no Signal Centre Control. The Lairg tanks passed just half an hour before Trailing the Points.
Following the incident at Inverurie a couple of years ago when a 170 took both tracks of loop, causing one bogie on one loop the other on the south etc... a speed limit of 15-20mph has been in place on all Highland Lines. My thought is that the points "did the splits" which used to happen to my model railway, when both blades of the points would not come away from the either side.
You can also see unit in Dingwall Station from the photo. Three units have been stranded north and all 3 are just operating shuttle services from 2x Wick-Dingwall-Wick and 1x Kyle-Dingwall-Kyle. Don't know how much fuel they will have left.
Any Ideas how they rerail when all 4 bogies are off? Will it need a crane?
SouthEastern-465
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Awful lot of accidents lately involving Class 158s & Class 159s or is it just me?
MCR247
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Like?
Was up there today with my coach on a job. Its a case of "jack n pack". The track work is in some mess.
Was speaking to a few of the lads and they say the points were "open". Apparently this had only been realaid a few ago and they had already had 4 failures with this set of points!
Pics are below but not great quality as i didnt think it would still be there so didnt take my camera. Phone camera had to do!!!!
Was speaking to a few of the lads and they say the points were "open". Apparently this had only been realaid a few ago and they had already had 4 failures with this set of points!
Pics are below but not great quality as i didnt think it would still be there so didnt take my camera. Phone camera had to do!!!!
GNERman
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this derailment, a SWT 159 derailed in a tunnel recently as well...
royaloak
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It hit a landslip, hardly the fault of the 159.
eastdyke
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Boydie, great pics from a mobile! Thank you.
There seems to be no great urgency to get this sorted?
Anyone know why?
There seems to be no great urgency to get this sorted?
Anyone know why?
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As of Monday 25th Lunchtime, the Line is up and running again, with a normal timetable. Trains are crawling over the points at less than 5mph. But there has been a lot of slack put into the timetable over the last few years due to this style of points.
Since December 2008 a typical Wick-Inverness Southbound Train has 2mins catch up at Brora, 2mins at Lairg, and 2 mins at Dingwall for recovery.
Since December 2008 a typical Wick-Inverness Southbound Train has 2mins catch up at Brora, 2mins at Lairg, and 2 mins at Dingwall for recovery.
I realy dont understand how they get away with no FPL. Its leathal and this has demonstrated this.
At Boat of Garten on the Strathspey, we are not alowed to take a pasenger train from Aviemore in to platform 2 UNLESS we HAND CLAMP a set of points with no FPL.
The West Highland is the same. Realy dont understand how this is allowed on the main line, especially when theres always such strict rules with safety etc.
At Boat of Garten on the Strathspey, we are not alowed to take a pasenger train from Aviemore in to platform 2 UNLESS we HAND CLAMP a set of points with no FPL.
The West Highland is the same. Realy dont understand how this is allowed on the main line, especially when theres always such strict rules with safety etc.
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If they were spring loaded points they would be trailing wouldn't they?
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No. They are sprung loaded on faceing points. No locks. On the west highland line they are set for the appropriate platform (up or down) so when, say, a north bound train goes over the trailing points at the north end of the station, the points automaticly return for the down platform for the south bound train and vice versa for south bound trains.
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Wyvern
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Oh right, thanks. I get it.
It's a single line with loops at the stations. The points work independently of any signal box and the stations are unstaffed so there is no way they could have facing point locks.
It's a single line with loops at the stations. The points work independently of any signal box and the stations are unstaffed so there is no way they could have facing point locks.
ObservationCar
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Cause of Derailment officially released today
see link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-11445366
Amazing how long it takes to identify something that everybody knew.
see link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-11445366
Amazing how long it takes to identify something that everybody knew.
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Well, someone who has read read the report informs me that the Driver approached the points in the region of 29mph. He says that the limit was 15mph for both platforms.
The bulletin is here:
http://www.raib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Bulletin (Dingwall) 11-2010.pdf
Very interesting analysis on pages 7-9.
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I'm glad the driver was not found to be at fault, as it is not uncommon for drivers come in at a similar speed. I don't work on the Railways, but I use this line most weeks, and it is very frustrating the low speed which trains have to go over points at. A train travelling from Inverness to Wick goes over 20 train operated points, at such low speeds this adds around 12-15 minutes to the journey and makes the railway less competitive.
It is not an ideal technology, and in this day and age, points should be able to be remotly controlled over hundreds of miles away. Same goes for the forgotten level crossings on these lines.
It is not an ideal technology, and in this day and age, points should be able to be remotly controlled over hundreds of miles away. Same goes for the forgotten level crossings on these lines.
Points can be controlled from hundreds of miles away, but the RETB resignallings were designed to be a low-cost solution as, in at least a couple of the cases, closure would surely have been a distinct possibility if expensive resignalling was required (and it would be expensive if each crossing loop was fully signalled, which would be necessary if the points were to be operated and detected remotely!). Train operated points seem a happy compromise to me, especially as the train's slowing to stop at a station anyway in most cases.
As for level crossings - if all the AOCLs were converted to full barrier crossings supervised by CCTV (which seems to be what you're suggesting), there'd be a tremendous cost first in installation (particularly of the signalling and control equipment) and then in supervision (as it'd then be well beyond the workload of the existing two (??) Signalmen at Dingwall). The only other way of removing the 55mph maximum possible speed (often the permitted speed is less, depending on local circumstances) approaching AOCLs is to go for AHBs, which would again be expensive to install and supervise, and probably not suitable in many cases anyway.
As for level crossings - if all the AOCLs were converted to full barrier crossings supervised by CCTV (which seems to be what you're suggesting), there'd be a tremendous cost first in installation (particularly of the signalling and control equipment) and then in supervision (as it'd then be well beyond the workload of the existing two (??) Signalmen at Dingwall). The only other way of removing the 55mph maximum possible speed (often the permitted speed is less, depending on local circumstances) approaching AOCLs is to go for AHBs, which would again be expensive to install and supervise, and probably not suitable in many cases anyway.
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It does seem very odd that the warning system (which advises drivers that points may not have automatically returned fully to the correct position) consists of a light which shines yellow when they ARE set correctly, and which is extinguished if they are not.
As in this case, an extingushed light in the darkness of a mid-winter night doesn't convey any information, unless a driver knows very exactly where the unlit light would be. Surely a lamp that is lit to indicate that it is not safe to proceed would be more meaningful. (a red, perhaps?)
As in this case, an extingushed light in the darkness of a mid-winter night doesn't convey any information, unless a driver knows very exactly where the unlit light would be. Surely a lamp that is lit to indicate that it is not safe to proceed would be more meaningful. (a red, perhaps?)
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