But, for a given number of commuters travelling 5 days per week before the pandemic, it needs twice as many commuters travelling 2-3 times per week to generate the same number of bums on seats.
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Timing load suggests so, as Mk4 coaches are approximately 41 tonnes and the 225 workings are usually E410 (Electric locomotive hauling 410 tonnes)So up-thread it was reported that LNER will run class 91 + 7 Mark IV + DVT on some of the Newcastle terminators. I have noticed this curious service on real time trains;
Realtime Trains | 5Z92 0409 Peterborough to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 17/05/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Z92 0409 departure from Peterborough to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 17/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
A test run with 7 coached maybe?
There’s a more recent separate thread about testing short sets, the RTT link for the up direction was posted in it:So up-thread it was reported that LNER will run class 91 + 7 Mark IV + DVT on some of the Newcastle terminators. I have noticed this curious service on real time trains;
Realtime Trains | 5Z92 0409 Peterborough to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D | 17/05/2025
Real-time train running information for 5Z92 0409 departure from Peterborough to Neville Hill T&R.S.M.D on 17/05/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
A test run with 7 coached maybe?
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Historically that service has always had an extra minute on the WTT at EDB (12:31 dep WTT) and I would imagine it still will. Obviously that won’t be reflected in the publicly issued documents for the time being.
So a Newcastle xx33 is timed 3m behind an Edinburgh (xx30) off KX and calls only Stevenage & Grantham then York 10m slower than the Edinburgh. Can't see these being that well filled unless they have some control over pricing which the current fares arrangement doesn't permit. You have to wonder for all the performance implications this timetable imports whether it will last more than a couple of timetable cycles before being modified back to something closer to todays.
Why or how not, given that that seems to work for Avanti to fill Euston – Preston / Scotland via Birmingham services?
No doubt anybody searching for London to Newcastle will have cheaper tickets for the Newcastle terminator compared with the Scottish train. Both will probably be paying over the odds compared to searching for London to Blaydon when the offpeak fares are capped with the pesky super offpeak ticket.
18:03 King’s Cross to Skipton (still) not showing a Leeds call.
Must be an error, surely.
To be comparable to that you would have to run via Leeds and then carry onto Edinburgh and maybe they will do that once TRU is completed. Whats planned is limited to much lower levels of passenger flows and seems to be a sop to having to cover or station calls that the modestly accelerated Edinburgh's have dropped.
Are any LNER calls there currently (or recently have been) pick-up / set-down only? The only LNER examples I can think of are some very late-night ones north of York.
Stevenage’s current first LNER southbound on weekdays is 1B81 ex Lincoln to King’s Cross at 08:58. As was said likely to avoid issues into King’s Cross in the busy morning peak. There’s not really a lot of room for error most of the time, least of all at that time of day.
I think there is a couple at the very end of the day, when there is practically nobody around. Enforcing set down restrictions on the LNER calls in the morning peak would be very difficult due to the volume of passengers at the station during peak times (the draft timetable also doesn't show the calls as set down only).
Really?
These draft timetables for December 2025 timetable services on the East Coast Mainline are dated November 2024. Does anyone know when the finally agreed December 2025 timetables will be released?
Probably start filtering through to RTT next month.
I'd go with next month(ish) personally. It's a pretty complex timetable change with lots of moving pieces so I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't start appearing on RTT (and similar sites) until towards the end of August or even into September.
I certainly don't expect LNER services to appear first this time round. Usually it's whomever has the least changes, so probably ScotRail or other TOCs with no planned significant changes.
This isn't how it's done.
Fair enough but it is what I've observed happening at the three most recent timetable changes, hence my assumption that the least changed operators were uploaded first.
Then it's just a coincidence. There really is no priority.
Okay. Thank you for clearing that up
