Dawlish sea wall collapse

[Graiser]

Except the link I posted only four posts above yours does indeed say mid-April. And that is the official Network Rail website.

I understand that but I'm trying to tell you the on site programme is March27 for trains running, so whether some politics are involved I don't know but I know what I've seen.

 

[eastdyke]

I understand that but I'm trying to tell you the on site programme is March27 for trains running, so whether some politics are involved I don't know but I know what I've seen.

All seems quite reasonable to me.

27/3 line open at main breach site - mid-April full public service restored.

The dates could well be compatible.

 

[D1009]

Are the rail replacement buses really awful or is it that people just don't like travelling on buses.

Depends which ones you're talking about, but as coaches go most of them are very good. I don't think anyone really likes travelling on them if expecting a train.
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I try to avoid the replacement buses because they are usually slower.

Than what precisely?

 

[Goatboy]

Than what precisely?

Stab in the dark but... 'a train' I would imagine.

 

[Carlisle]

The picture in the above link gives a different, and much more illustrative, indication of the vertical scope of the works which is not seen from the webcams and many other shots.

Yes I agree from that picture compared to the tv news ones I had seen earlier today ,it certainly does appear a very major job they have to complete down there

 

[D1009]

Stab in the dark but... 'a train' I would imagine.

I thought the point of a replacement bus was to replace a train, so how can you avoid one?

 

[Graiser]

Pic of inside the hole

 

[ECML180]

I thought the point of a replacement bus was to replace a train, so how can you avoid one?

• Train via a different route
• Drive a car
• Catch a plane
• Walk
• Catch a local bus service
• Evolve into a winged beast and fly

NB Not all of the above may apply to journey in question...especially the last one

 

[infobleep]

Depends which ones you're talking about, but as coaches go most of them are very good. I don't think anyone really likes travelling on them if expecting a train.
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Than what precisely?

The trains. If Three Bridges to Brighton has engineering works the only bus service from Haywards Heath to Brighton is the all stations stopper. That takes far longer than the fast non stop train to Brighton.

Guildford to Woking by train can be as little as 7 minutes and as much as 14 minutes. By replacement bus though at least 20 minutes.

Dorking Deepdeene is 40 minutes by road and 20 by train.

I'm sure there are many other examples. I found the journey to Liverpool Street from Chelmsford to be far longer when engineering works.

The engineering work needs to be done but it doesn't mean people prefer not to have to use the bus replacements.

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[Xenophon PCDGS]

Dorking Deepdeene is 40 minutes by road and 20 by train.

Is that the way the AB socio-economic classes refer to it these days....

 

[embers25]

Are the rail replacement buses really awful or is it that people just don't like travelling on buses. I try to avoid the replacement buses because they are usually slower.

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What I don't see mentioned anywhere unless I missed it is that according to natrail ticket acceptance on local stagecoach buses has been withdrawn except on the 12 which bizarrely still has a train service so isnt needed.Surely fgw should still be paying to allow the hop2 amd B from Newton Abbot/Dawlish Warren to Exeter given the infrequency of the all stations bus.

 

[sor]

Are the rail replacement buses really awful or is it that people just don't like travelling on buses. I try to avoid the replacement buses because they are usually slower.

I did one of the Cornwall to Tiverton buses yesterday, it was probably slightly nicer than the train (no sun-like lighting, leather seats that recline do make it easier to sleep, quite empty) and it did get to Tiverton maybe half an hour or more quicker than the train would have done.

 

[starrymarkb]

What I don't see mentioned anywhere unless I missed it is that according to natrail ticket acceptance on local stagecoach buses has been withdrawn except on the 12 which bizarrely still has a train service so isnt needed.Surely fgw should still be paying to allow the hop2 amd B from Newton Abbot/Dawlish Warren to Exeter given the infrequency of the all stations bus.

Generally FGW's fares are significantly cheaper then Stagecoach SW's...

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FGW's site still says Stagecoach are still accepting tickets until the line reopens.

.Stagecoach South West has agreed to accept rail tickets for travel on all their South Devon bus routes until rail services are restored through Dawlish.

 

[L&Y Robert]

The webcam site (Railtrack) this morning (20/02) refers to flood damage at Penzance. Anybody know anything about that?

 

[sprinterguy]

The webcam site (Railtrack) this morning (20/02) refers to flood damage at Penzance. Anybody know anything about that?

I can't see that any more has been posted on the general weather disruption thread, but there was a photo posted either there or on this thread that showed the tracks at Penzance station underwater as a result of Friday night's storm.

Apparently there are no trains running West of St Erth (Except to access Long Rock depot) as the sea wall past Long Rock took quite a battering that night and has been breached. Not expected to re-open for at least a couple of weeks as a result.

 

[KeithP]

The webcam site (Railtrack) this morning (20/02) refers to flood damage at Penzance. Anybody know anything about that?

Lots of info and pictures on Cornwall Railway Society's News page:

http://www.cornwallrailwaysociety.org.uk/newspage---latest-news-reports-and-photographs.html​

 

[PHILIPE]

The webcam site (Railtrack) this morning (20/02) refers to flood damage at Penzance. Anybody know anything about that?

There was a separate thread created:-

www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=96672

There were links to other and also to Post #1197 on Weather Discussion.
Several pictures available.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

There was a separate thread created:-

www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=96672

That thread found itself "locked" extremely quickly for some reason.

 

[dysonsphere]

Out of interest are they working on the houses and road behind at the same time it would make a lot of sence.

 

[LateThanNever]

Out of interest are they working on the houses and road behind at the same time it would make a lot of sence.

They are - of necessity!

 

[YorkshireBear]

Not sure why that's being said on TV, on site it's March 27th

Every chance the public one is a lot of contingency.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

I'm thinking March 27th is when the engineers expect to hand the track back, but there will need to be a couple of weeks of testing - mostly signals - and some crew refreshing taking place?

 

[D1009]

Does anyone know why trains are not operating between Exeter and Dawlish Warren and between Newton Abbot and Teignmouth?

 

[najaB]

Does anyone know why trains are not operating between Exeter and Dawlish Warren and between Newton Abbot and Teignmouth?

A pure stab in the dark - maybe there aren't suitably located cross-overs, signalling, etc. to allow a shuttle service to run? Or, more importantly, one that is better or more efficient than rail-replacement buses.

 

[455driver]

Not a stab in the dark-

Because of where the access points are!

There are actually crossover points but they are the wrong side of the access points, they were originally going to run an hourly service at both ends but this was vetoed as NR needed the access points available at all times.

 

[D1009]

Not a stab in the dark-

Because of where the access points are!

There are actually crossover points but they are the wrong side of the access points, they were originally going to run an hourly service at both ends but this was vetoed as NR needed the access points available at all times.

Sorry, not wanting to sound thick, but could you explain what you mean by access points in this context? As far as I know the crossover at Teignmouth is at the Newton Abbot end of the station at the end of the bi-di section of the up main, so trains would simply terminate at Teignmouth in the up platform and go back. I could see this being a problem at Dawlish Warren because it would mean trains going towards the worksite, but even here I would have thought there would be a way of getting round it by SLW or some such. If trains ran to Dawlish Warren with the stopping RRBs terminating there it would significantly improve journey times for commuters from Teignmouth and Dawlish into Exeter because in the peak the traffic in the Marsh Barton area is horrendous.

I'm still not sure how the breach has affected the signalling however, someone told me yesterday the signals at Dawlish Warren were all "black".

 

[brillopad]

Sorry, not wanting to sound thick, but could you explain what you mean by access points in this context? As far as I know the crossover at Teignmouth is at the Newton Abbot end of the station at the end of the bi-di section of the up main, so trains would simply terminate at Teignmouth in the up platform and go back. I could see this being a problem at Dawlish Warren because it would mean trains going towards the worksite, but even here I would have thought there would be a way of getting round it by SLW or some such. If trains ran to Dawlish Warren with the stopping RRBs terminating there it would significantly improve journey times for commuters from Teignmouth and Dawlish into Exeter because in the peak the traffic in the Marsh Barton area is horrendous.

I'm still not sure how the breach has affected the signalling however, someone told me yesterday the signals at Dawlish Warren were all "black".

There must be a possession in place from at least Dawlish warren to the breach - there's an access point there for road rail vehicles near Langstone rock in the car park - it was used when the cliff work was done.

 

[455driver]

Sorry, not wanting to sound thick, but could you explain what you mean by access points in this context? As far as I know the crossover at Teignmouth is at the Newton Abbot end of the station at the end of the bi-di section of the up main, so trains would simply terminate at Teignmouth in the up platform and go back. I could see this being a problem at Dawlish Warren because it would mean trains going towards the worksite, but even here I would have thought there would be a way of getting round it by SLW or some such. If trains ran to Dawlish Warren with the stopping RRBs terminating there it would significantly improve journey times for commuters from Teignmouth and Dawlish into Exeter because in the peak the traffic in the Marsh Barton area is horrendous.

I'm still not sure how the breach has affected the signalling however, someone told me yesterday the signals at Dawlish Warren were all "black".

The access point at Dawlish Warren is between the station platforms and the crossover (I think) so any trains would have to pass the access point to crossover.
The access point at Teignmouth is at the Newton Abbot end so any trains going to Teignmouth have to pass the access point. Because the access point is in the possession so is the station.

Originally services were running but access was required at all times so Teignmouth station and Dawlish crossovers are now inside the possession so it was soon put on the too difficult pile, mores the pity.

The signals are black because the signalling is controlled from Exeter box with the wires running along the seawall. I think they have been repaired (Newton Abbot signals are working fine) so the signals might have been disconnected for some reason.

I havent been down and had a look lately so things might have changed.

 

[Rich McLean]

The access point at Dawlish Warren is between the station platforms and the crossover (I think) so any trains would have to pass the access point to crossover.
The access point at Teignmouth is at the Newton Abbot end so any trains going to Teignmouth have to pass the access point. Because the access point is in the possession so is the station.

Originally services were running but access was required at all times so Teignmouth station and Dawlish crossovers are now inside the possession so it was soon put on the too difficult pile, mores the pity.

The signals are black because the signalling is controlled from Exeter box with the wires running along the seawall. I think they have been repaired (Newton Abbot signals are working fine) so the signals might have been disconnected for some reason.

I havent been down and had a look lately so things might have changed.

I believe the signalling is being remotely controlled from Newton Abbot on a temporary basis, where at Newton Abbot is anyone's guess. From tomorrow, normal signalling will be restored, and controlled from Exeter PSB again, now that a new cable is in place

 

[D1009]

I believe the signalling is being remotely controlled from Newton Abbot on a temporary basis, where at Newton Abbot is anyone's guess. From tomorrow, normal signalling will be restored, and controlled from Exeter PSB again, now that a new cable is in place

By the sound of that, the new cable avoids the sea wall section completely, and that's why the signals at Dawlish Warren are black, so there's no chance of a train service to Dawlish Warren unless it's a temporary one train working arrangement over a single line.