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Could time travel really become possible?

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Tony2215

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Hi

Anyone know if time travel could one day become reality?

Travelling through space at the speed of light would open up worm holes and allowing to enter into another dimension & timeline other than our own.

I believe entering the event horizon of a black hole would slow you down and if you were to stand on a black hole itself you would see earth spinning around the sun at a rate of about a thousand times per second.

I wonder if there are scientists working on time travel could find a way to pause or stop time for just one millionth of a second then that would demonstrate that this brilliant concept is possible.

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The problem is the sheer amount of energy to mess with space-time to achieve time travel AND not die in the process! Good luck trying to stand on the surface of a black hole. ;)

Some have postulated a machine which could allow information to travel between points in the past and future, but only points when that machine itself exists. Sending information might be a more realistic first step than sending macroscopic objects hurtling through time.
 

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One of the classic arguments against time travel is that if it were possible at some point in the future, why has the earth not seen any time-travelers from the future travelling back to visit our time? As NSEFAN pointed out, a related theory suggests that we would be unable to see such time-travelers until the invention of such a machine.

Then there's the theory that time-travelers would not be recognised as such, as the timeline and our memories would be instantly altered to align with the effects of their arrival.

I'm not any kind of expert, nor even particularly well informed about the underlying concepts, but my instinct would say it isn't possible to time travel in the sense of moving at will between specific points in time.
 

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If you were to travel back in time would you end up in our universe or a parallel universe?
 

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Whatever you mustn't do though is go back to 1995 and have your mam fancy you
 

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If you miss your train with an advance ticket, will it be worth the effort of going back in time to make sure you make it, or just buying a new ticket?

Would it be possible to travel on a later train at less cost, then go back in time to arrive earlier than you set off?

If you've split tickets and travel without a ticket that covers the entire journey, could you be done for having used time travel to effectively not be on the train for some of the trip? And has RJ thought of this yet?

These are the questions I want answered.
 

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If you miss your train with an advance ticket, will it be worth the effort of going back in time to make sure you make it, or just buying a new ticket?

Why would you do that when you can just walk to your destination for free (well, apart from hotel bills etc.) and then travel back in time to the time when you were supposed to be there... ;)
 

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The way I understand it is that on blackholes spacetime becomes warped in the same way as around planets stars just more extreme, but at some point spacetime breaks and ceases to function. If it was possible to leave a blackhole you should end up leaving at all times in the blackhole's history. Hawking Radiation is the only known effect on blackhole's losing energy.
Going faster than light is not possible according to general theory at all. This is fundamental in physics.
Exotic matter which has a negative mass is one theorised way of time travel. Now that the Higgs Boson has been found maybe manipulating it could be possible in future?
Time travel would break causality so may not be possible anyway.

In Star Trek time travel is prohibited by the temporal prime directive.
This means if someone went back in time to change history they'll be stopped.
In the future if time travel does exist it is likely to be prohibited in similar ways to protect history. This would explain the apparent lack of future people.
 
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In Star Trek time travel is prohibited by the temporal prime directive.
This means if someone went back in time to change history they'll be stopped.
In the future if time travel does exist it is likely to be prohibited in similar ways to protect history. This would explain the apparent lack of future people.

Well, that scuppers any chance of us all filling in our missing haulages then...
 

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One problem with trying to enter a black hole is the huge gravitational forces near their "surface" (for want of a better word.). If you approached head first, your head would experience a much stronger force than the rest of your body - so **, your body would initially become highly stretched into a string-like shape.

** - Except that you would probably have been vapourised long before you got near the black hole.
 

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I traveled forward in time 2 minutes just reading this thread
 

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Apart from the "Grandfather Paradox", I've always thought there are some other practical considerations to time travel. For example, we are all travelling east at about 600mph and orbiting the sun at about 66,000mph.

So if you could go forward ten minutes in time, would you end up out in space doing 66,000mph? If not, how do you absorb the kinetic energy?

Anyway let's say you solve that problem, and you can move forwards and backwards in time at will. That causes another problem - security. If I wanted to burgle your house, I could just go back in time to before it was built, stand in a field and move forward again until I was stood in your house (although again I'd have to calculate the height difference otherwise my feet would probably be buried in your floor :)) Or I could do the same with a bank vault or a prison!

Multi-dimensional theory might solve the navigation problems, but causes a bigger headache for buildings again; what if we can travel at will in three dimensions using one of the other eight in the same way you can fold a two dimensional object into a third dimension and have two points in your two-dimensional space occupying the same space in three...

I did do 88mph once in a Delorian on the M62, and thought I'd ended up back in 1954, but apparently Hull is just like that :)
 

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I can go back in time to the 1980s by going into the Halfords store in Welwyn Garden City. But there's a strange paradox because the prices are somehow still current.
 

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One problem with trying to enter a black hole is the huge gravitational forces near their "surface" (for want of a better word.). If you approached head first, your head would experience a much stronger force than the rest of your body - so **, your body would initially become highly stretched into a string-like shape.

** - Except that you would probably have been vapourised long before you got near the black hole.
An effect pleasingly known to science as 'spaghettification'.
 

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Apart from the "Grandfather Paradox", I've always thought there are some other practical considerations to time travel. For example, we are all travelling east at about 600mph and orbiting the sun at about 66,000mph.

So if you could go forward ten minutes in time, would you end up out in space doing 66,000mph? If not, how do you absorb the kinetic energy?

It's a little more complicated than that. The 66k-mph is relative to the sun, but takes no account of how the sun moves.

In fact there is no such thing as an absolute velocity. The only thing you have is a velocity relative to something else. A train going past might look to me like it's moving at 50mph (relative to the Earth) but according to the laws of physics, to the people in the train it's the Earth moving (relative to them).

Most common ideas of time travel rely on the idea of someone arriving at 'the same place' but at a different time. In fact there's no such thing as 'the same place at a different time' (If this is confusing think that 'the same place 5 minutes ago relative to you on the ground' would certainly not be 'the same place 5 minutes ago relative to someone inside the train')

If time travel were possible (and it's a big if), then the form it would have to take would be picking some other point in spacetime to which you wish to transport yourself. And presumably if you wished to transport yourself back into the past, you'd have to identify as your destination a point in spacetime that is located on the surface of the Earth at wherever the Earth happened to be at that time.

And as you say, your calculations would have to be extremely precise to avoid arriving part buried in the floor. An even more serious consideration would be what happens to all the air molecules that were located at the same place just before you arrive! If they don't get removed somehow, the experience of having them suddenly inside your body would I imagine be fatal (possibly causing quite a big explosion!). For that reason, I suspect that if time travel became possible, you'd probably have to plan to arrive in space, and take a small spaceship with you to finish your journey with. (Even then it's a bit risky as space isn't completely empty).

Your point about kinetic energy is also interesting. I suspect the solution (assuming momentum is conserved in this hypothetical time travel) would be to plan your arrival to be at an instant in time when the Earth happens to be travelling at the same speed in the same direction as it is at the point where you leave. For trips into the recent past, that would imply arriving on about the same date of a different year. As you go further into the past, that becomes harder to achieve due to the sun's orbit around the centre of the galaxy/
 
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Begins to sound as if a time machine needs to be a composite beast.

Able to travel in time, act as a Star Trek type transporter to move you from place to place, all housed in a star ship capable of travel into inter-stellar or perhaps even inter-galactic space to avoid arriving some where containing existing matter.
 

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Begins to sound as if a time machine needs to be a composite beast.

Able to travel in time, act as a Star Trek type transporter to move you from place to place, all housed in a star ship capable of travel into inter-stellar or perhaps even inter-galactic space to avoid arriving some where containing existing matter.

Star Trek transporters are another unlikely device. To work properly, it would need to reassemble your atoms / molecules in exactly the same sequence as when you entered the transporter. That would need a phenomenal amount of computer memory to store all the information about your body, brain, memories etc.

With something in the region of 10^27 atoms per body, you also need to calculate the probability of reassembling all those atoms in the correct sequence.

The most you might get is to transport a very small, simple structure consisting of maybe (if you are very lucky) just one or two elements.
 

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Star Trek transporters are another unlikely device. To work properly, it would need to reassemble your atoms / molecules in exactly the same sequence as when you entered the transporter. That would need a phenomenal amount of computer memory to store all the information about your body, brain, memories etc.

With something in the region of 10^27 atoms per body, you also need to calculate the probability of reassembling all those atoms in the correct sequence.

You'd also better hope that you don't get a bluebottle in the transporter at the wrong moment... :lol:
 

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Star Trek transporters are another unlikely device. To work properly, it would need to reassemble your atoms / molecules in exactly the same sequence as when you entered the transporter. That would need a phenomenal amount of computer memory to store all the information about your body, brain, memories etc.

With something in the region of 10^27 atoms per body, you also need to calculate the probability of reassembling all those atoms in the correct sequence.

The most you might get is to transport a very small, simple structure consisting of maybe (if you are very lucky) just one or two elements.

Star Trek transporters aren't invented for over a century. I'm sure computer memory is better by then. And besides they are always faulty anyway.

All that's needed for the transporter to work is the molecules on both ends like Water. DNA can be stored on computers now. The atoms don't have to be the same ones just the same type.
Prof. Kaku did a TV show on the possibillity on SciFi devices including this.
He suggested that the strange quantom entantlement effect (where it's possible to influence similar atoms far away instantly) could be used.
Transporters will become more feasible with the rapid improvement of 3D printing.
 
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