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jon0844

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This company, Corethree, seems to have managed to get plenty of bus firms to use their app for mobile ticketing, timetable info and more - but it's BLOODY awful.

I was shocked that Arriva recently signed a contract and can't believe they didn't see the reviews of the various rebadged versions on the app stores. Barely any good reviews at all, and always the same problems reported.

I have the Intalink version and it has always been buggy. It has a system whereby if you reset your phone (or change phone) you lose all your purchased tickets even though you've got a unique login/password. It doesn't let you deactivate another device and recover on another, which is silly and so easy to sort.

From an operators point of view, there's a security flaw that actually allows you to restore purchased tickets (illegally) if you know what you're doing - which means their supposed security method to avoid abuse doesn't work, but still causes problems for genuine customers.

Realtime info has never worked properly, and now I know why - they only have fixed timetable info. Such that since March when a number of services were axed and new ones set up, NONE of the changed services are in the app.

I Tweeted HCC/Intalink and they came back to say "We are aware of the issues with the app. Our developers are working to resolve them, but it is proving difficult."

So difficult I suspect that they haven't fixed typos I reported a year or two ago yet. In fact, I can't remember the last time the app was updated.

Finding your nearest bus stop is a mess, and managing favourites a joke. Plus so many routes don't even have mobile tickets offered for sale (that bit isn't the fault of the app mind).

Another thing it doesn't let you do is buy multiple tickets, so if you have the app to avoid carrying cash, anyone travelling with you needs their own app. Oh, but you can usually only buy m-tickets in batches of 5 or 10. Great for visitors. Plus, my son is 5 and doesn't have a phone, so I can go cashless myself but need money for him or I can't use the bus.

Stuff like this is one of the many reasons people are put off using buses.

Has anyone else experienced these shoddy, amateurish, apps - or anything that works better (which wouldn't seem hard!)
 
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I expect they have very good sales people and a development team that can't deliver. It is not an unusual scenario in the IT and Comms industries.

Generally speaking, services delivered on behalf of the public sector will have been tendered out at some point. Them that can fill in the questionnaire best and offer the lowest price tend to win such things. I'm sure they have excellent Equality and Diversity Policies or Environmental Impact Action Plans.

I've no idea why Arriva use them, but all of their online offerings are pretty dismal at best. Who wants to see a timetable for a service four columns at a time...?
 
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Thing is, from what I can see, Arriva had a better app before. But perhaps Arriva figured it was cheaper to maintain an app from another company, and didn't do ANY research to see the many problems.
 

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Nottingham City Transport has a really good realtime and mobile ticketing app. The security features seem well thought out, and as they require exact change on the buses I've fully converted to the app (slightly cheaper fares as well £1.90 instead of £2 single, £3.50 all day instead of £3.70)

https://apps.nctx.co.uk/
 
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I expect they have very good sales people and a development team that can't deliver. It is not an unusual scenario in the IT and Comms industries.
I remember being tasked with making sure that software passed acceptance testing as management had already made the purchase decision.
 

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Looking at their website, they also provide the app for First. That's completely useless on my phone - roughly 75% of the time it crashes on opening. Day tickets are cheaper on the app than on the bus now, so on one occasion I bought one using it. Never again...
 

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Corethree's app for Go North East is a buggy waste of space too, to the extent they've had to disable the live tracking feature because it kept crashing.

I don't understand why Arriva have moved from the old app, which was industry leading, to the pile of crap they have now.
 

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The following is based on my experience with the Transport for Edinburgh App (m-tickets credited to Corethree, bus tracker app probably by them but not credited).

I have the Intalink version and it has always been buggy. It has a system whereby if you reset your phone (or change phone) you lose all your purchased tickets even though you've got a unique login/password. It doesn't let you deactivate another device and recover on another, which is silly and so easy to sort.

The reason that the tickets are stored on the phone is so that they can be used without an internet connection (not all bus stops will have a good signal). The server will not always be told when a ticket is used.

Since the ticket is not scanned by the staff, other than a brief visual inspection the only way the company can find out which tickets have been used is when the phone reports back.

It is only possible to buy tickets, not credit. This is annoying as the user has to decide what types of tickets to buy in advance. In Edinburgh single tram and bus tickets are sold separately despite being the same price (the tram tickets need activated before boarding by scanning a QR code on the platform).
 

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First's new Ticketer machines scan both the app and all multi journey tickets (excluding shop bought tickets for now).
 
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The following is based on my experience with the Transport for Edinburgh App (m-tickets credited to Corethree, bus tracker app probably by them but not credited).



The reason that the tickets are stored on the phone is so that they can be used without an internet connection (not all bus stops will have a good signal). The server will not always be told when a ticket is used.

Since the ticket is not scanned by the staff, other than a brief visual inspection the only way the company can find out which tickets have been used is when the phone reports back.

It is only possible to buy tickets, not credit. This is annoying as the user has to decide what types of tickets to buy in advance. In Edinburgh single tram and bus tickets are sold separately despite being the same price (the tram tickets need activated before boarding by scanning a QR code on the platform).
Yes and that's very sensible, but it's flawed. I should be able to remove tickets from a phone, and then re-add them to a new device. I could obviously only do that with a live connection.

People do change phones.

Also, if you buy a batch (can't get singles) then you download none or all. Why not let me download only when I need a ticket? Then if I lose my phone, I've only lost what I downloaded - not everything.

Finally the flaw in security is that I can buy and download a batch, then do a backup of the app data (without needing root access in some cases) and restore that data unlimited times to get access to the same tickets.

You'd think a used ticket couldn't be used again....

(I've told HCC this but they've done nothing and probably don't care)
 
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Yes and that's very sensible, but it's flawed. I should be able to remove tickets from a phone, and then re-add them to a new device. I could obviously only do that with a live connection.

The Edinburgh app does allow you to share a ticket via email- so it is possible to remove a ticket from a phone.

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Realtime info has never worked properly, and now I know why - they only have fixed timetable info. Such that since March when a number of services were axed and new ones set up, NONE of the changed services are in the app.

The TFE realtime information seems to be accurate (within a minute of the displays at bus stops). It occasionally takes a while to work out where I am but that is more of an issue with my phone working out where it is (the same occurs occurs on the apps which use mapping such as Uber).
 

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I wonder if Intalink saying it has problems equals they are trying to get bugs fixed but corethree is making them wait, or wanting more money?

The real time info is broken and timetable data is from last year. Mad for an official transport app for a county council, and only offering tickets for a handful of services from just a handful of operators.
 
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