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Despite the barriers created by Brexit I very much doubt we'll end up with a Channel Tunnel with no passenger trains running through it. Who runs the trains long term might be a different question.

Is the issue with Eurostar or Eurotunnel or both. I had a crossing booked with Eurotunnel last year, mainly paid with Tesco Clubcard points. I obviously couldn't get my money back so I was given a voucher. This has to be used by August and cannot be extended, so I think I have little chance of using it before the deadline. I plan to ask for an extension, but I don't expect it to happen.
 
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Is the issue with Eurostar or Eurotunnel or both. I had a crossing booked with Eurotunnel last year, mainly paid with Tesco Clubcard points. I obviously couldn't get my money back so I was given a voucher. This has to be used by August and cannot be extended, so I think I have little chance of using it before the deadline. I plan to ask for an extension, but I don't expect it to happen.
As far as I can tell, the issue is with Eurostar, who have only been operating one train per day each way London-Paris and vv and one per day London-Brussels and vv for the past several months, both of which have been pretty empty by all accounts. Most of their staff have been furloughed, or laid-off in some cases, and their trains have been mortgaged to a French bank. Eurotunnel, although their revenue has undoubtedly declined over the past year, seem to be still obtaining a reasonable amount of revenue from lorry shuttles and a lesser amount from through freight trains.
 

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But you look at the future of small towns now, and they are just going to be reduced to a few convenience and bargin shops, charity shops, sandwich shops and takeaways, coffee shops, pubs, estate agents, and a Bank and Post Office if your lucky.
That's the case in some larger towns as well. I live in a town of 30,000+. Main post office closed about two years ago, with the counters moving into WH Smith further along the High Street. You now have the bizarre situation where a Royal Mail parcel is collected from the sorting office, part of the closed main post office. If the parcel is a Parcelforce/Post office parcel that has to be collected from the PO counter. It's as though the two are now completely separate firms. Argos closed at the start of the lockdown in 2020 and has re-opened in Sainsbury's - the café being sacrificed to provide the space. Despite talk of a Tesco store re-opening in town (it closed in the 1980's) that has never materialised; though we do have a couple of the convenience store type operations. And then to top it off the leader of the District Council bigs up how the town will prosper when an out of town 'designer shopping village' is opened. No, that is located right next to a major trunk road/town bypass! You'll just watch most shoppers miss the town as they travel to/from that location.
 

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That's the case in some larger towns as well. I live in a town of 30,000+.

The definition of small, medium and large towns is relative. In terms of shops etc this also depends on the area / population served.

The town I live in has a population of ~30,000. Back even 30 years it had a reasonable selection of shops but gradually many have closed.
Core to this is three miles away the centre of a town with a population of ~50,000 and traditionally the main shopping etc centre for another ~15,000 plus surrounding villages. Five miles away is another town with a population of ~22,500. This though has more shops than my town centre although again a decline over 30 years. Nobody will travel more than a few miles though as then another town will be nearer.

Different to e.g. Penrith with a population of ~15,000 but a much larger catchment area.

You now have the bizarre situation where a Royal Mail parcel is collected from the sorting office, part of the closed main post office. If the parcel is a Parcelforce/Post office parcel that has to be collected from the PO counter. It's as though the two are now completely separate firms.

I thought now the Post Office, Royal Mail and Parcelforce were three separate businesses with the Post Office effectively just the retail counter service agent for both. Hence why a fee is payable to collect from a Post Office rather than as appropriate the Royal Mail or Parcelforce delivery office / depot.

Right now I can not think of anywhere where the the Post Office is still in the same stand-alone building as say 30 years ago. If the same building is still used by Royal Mail the Post Office has moved away be it now inside another store or stand-alone.
 

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John Lewis has announced a proposal to close eight shops, putting 1,465 jobs at risk. The smaller 'At Home' stores at Ashford, Basingstoke, Chester, and Tunbridge Wells; and the full department stores at Aberdeen, Peterborough, Sheffield and York.
 

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Right now I can not think of anywhere where the the Post Office is still in the same stand-alone building as say 30 years ago. If the same building is still used by Royal Mail the Post Office has moved away be it now inside another store or stand-alone.
This is certainly the case in my local town. Royal Mail still have their premises on the same site as the old Crown Post Office (empty for years), but the Post Office has moved to a much smaller unit which is actually on one of the main shopping streets instead of being out on a limb. The telephone exchange building is also on the same plot.
 

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Banks are going through a massive 'cull' at present with many streamlining their branches. The small suburban branches are finished and even town centre ones are now at risk. TSB, Barclays and Yorkshire (soon to be Virgin) have all closed branches at prime locations in my neck of the woods.
This is too true. 15 years ago I worked for Barclays in a big city. We had four city centre branches (one mainly dealt with business customers, one mainly dealt with students and the other two dealt with anything and everything). We had another five suburban branches, a business focused branch on a business park, and a small branch in a shopping centre which didn't have a counter but had ATMs and a member of staff to deal with enquiries. And this was what was left after an extensive branch closure programme.

All that remains is one city centre branch and the business park branch. All the others are closed.

I know online is the future but it still makes me sad.
 
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I am lucky that we still have a branch of my bank in our town. Of the Big Four, two have closed but we also have a branch of Nationwide. I didn't really want to go over to online banking, but the pandemic forced my hand. Over recent years I have rarely used the branch, but with my bank I still occasionally go there to pay in cheques, as my bank hasn't (as far as I know) set up an online paying in system. There is a facility to pay in at certain types of ATM, but we don't have one. I do like to be able to view my account online, but I still worry a bit about security. I also like being able to set up payments online.
Also having my credit card account online (different bank) is easier than using the over-the-phone automated system.

We are also lucky that we still have a post office and sorting office in the original building in the town centre, which is quite convenient apart from the time spent queueing behind people sending off their ebay parcels. Unfortunately there are no sub-post offices in town, so no local alternative. You can also collect parcels from the main office but the pandemic seems to have made their working practices such that no parcels are undelivered.
 

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This is certainly the case in my local town. Royal Mail still have their premises on the same site as the old Crown Post Office (empty for years), but the Post Office has moved to a much smaller unit which is actually on one of the main shopping streets instead of being out on a limb. The telephone exchange building is also on the same plot.

In the town of Knutsford at one point there were four Post Offices, one on the edge of the town was located in a convenience store but the others were stand alone. Now there's only one which is in a Co-op in town centre and run by Co-op on a franchise basis. Until recently there was a second located within a One Stop store, again run on a franchise basis but One Stop decided to close that store and Post Office advertised a franchise opportunity when that closure was announced but no one was interested in taking them up on that.

The main post office in Altrincham is inside WH Smith, the main post office in Wilmslow is inside Tesco Express and while Northwich still has a separate Post Office, they've moved to a smaller building from the one they used to have.

This is too true. 15 years ago I worked for Barclays in a big city. We had four city centre branches (one mainly dealt with business customers, one mainly dealt with students and the other two dealt with anything and everything).

In recent years the main reason I've had for visiting a branch is to pay in any cheques I receive. Barclays were one of the first to offer the option of paying in cheques via their mobile app. I think all banks are now offering more facilities through the Post Office but they are closing branches too (see above.) The only occasion I can think of going in to a branch where it wasn't to pay in a cheque in the last few years was when I completed an ISA transfer form and it said to either post to them (no pre-paid envelope enclosed) or hand in at a branch and I was going near a branch anyway it seemed the sensible option to hand it in at a branch.

I know online is the future but it still makes me sad.

When online only savings accounts first became a think I wasn't that keen on them as I thought what happens if there's an issue getting online when I need the money but now there's so few branch based accounts and the ones that exist pay extremely poor interest rates, there's no really much choice.
 

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This is too true. 15 years ago I worked for Barclays in a big city. We had four city centre branches (one mainly dealt with business customers, one mainly dealt with students and the other two dealt with anything and everything). We had another five suburban branches, a business focused branch on a business park, and a small branch in a shopping centre which didn't have a counter but had ATMs and a member of staff to deal with enquiries. And this was what was left after an extensive branch closure programme.

All that remains is one city centre branch and the business park branch. All the others are closed.

I know online is the future but it still makes me sad.
My local branch closed a couple of years ago. I went into the branch at least twice a week on various days and at various times, and there was always a queue of at least 3 people whenever I was in there. When they sent me a letter announcing the closure, it mentioned that they'd completed a study of the bank's users and found that there were only 16 visits to the branch per week, and therefore they couldn't accept the costs of keeping the branch open. If that was the case, I must have been very unlucky to always have to queue!
 

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My local branch closed a couple of years ago. I went into the branch at least twice a week on various days and at various times, and there was always a queue of at least 3 people whenever I was in there. When they sent me a letter announcing the closure, it mentioned that they'd completed a study of the bank's users and found that there were only 16 visits to the branch per week, and therefore they couldn't accept the costs of keeping the branch open. If that was the case, I must have been very unlucky to always have to queue!

Possibly they were only counting customers making transactions which could not be carried out at an ATM.
 

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Possibly they were only counting customers making transactions which could not be carried out at an ATM.
Or the post office.
A few branches have justified closing by saying the services they offered were duplicated locally.
 

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Alternatively, they were telling whoppers.
Perhaps 'stretching the truth'*. When I have visited a bank, quite a few customers carry out multiple transactions, perhaps some. even most could be carried out by alternative means but there are one or two which can't, or the customer doesn't want to. be done using alternatives. A customer with hearing difficulties not confident with phone banking, for instance.

When dealing with my housebound mother's affairs, I needed to make an appointment via the bank's admin. I was told that the local branch was very busy and was offered one in over two months time (but I could have an earlier one if I traveled to a large branch some distance away). I pointed out that I had taken documents into the local branch for copying on three occasions and had seen one customer in all that time. They then found an appointment two days later. I am sure it was just an oversight that she missed it first time around!
 

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Perhaps 'stretching the truth'*. When I have visited a bank, quite a few customers carry out multiple transactions, perhaps some. even most could be carried out by alternative means but there are one or two which can't, or the customer doesn't want to. be done using alternatives. A customer with hearing difficulties not confident with phone banking, for instance.

When dealing with my housebound mother's affairs, I needed to make an appointment via the bank's admin. I was told that the local branch was very busy and was offered one in over two months time (but I could have an earlier one if I traveled to a large branch some distance away). I pointed out that I had taken documents into the local branch for copying on three occasions and had seen one customer in all that time. They then found an appointment two days later. I am sure it was just an oversight that she missed it first time around!
You're obviously a kinder man than me. :) My town is luckier than most in having retained all the major bank branches, plus Nationwide and Halifax, though there's a feeling (a very strong one in my case!)that one closing will start a domino effect. HSBC and Santander have been my candidates for the initial chop, and that was before both groups announced they'd be closing a number of branches. NatWest is my bank and all the staff address me by name (I will resist interest banking so long as it's feasible, just as I will keep my non-contactless debit card so long as they're issued).Occasionally I'm greeted by ex-bank staff in town who remember my name too, some from up to thirty years ago, like an ex-Manager who retired early!
 

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Right now I can not think of anywhere where the the Post Office is still in the same stand-alone building as say 30 years ago. If the same building is still used by Royal Mail the Post Office has moved away be it now inside another store or stand-alone.
Morecambe central is still the same with Post office counters in the front and the sorting office at the back. Same building that's been there at least 50 years (I remember it as a child).
 

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The definition of small, medium and large towns is relative. In terms of shops etc this also depends on the area / population served.

The town I live in has a population of ~30,000. Back even 30 years it had a reasonable selection of shops but gradually many have closed.
Core to this is three miles away the centre of a town with a population of ~50,000 and traditionally the main shopping etc centre for another ~15,000 plus surrounding villages. Five miles away is another town with a population of ~22,500. This though has more shops than my town centre although again a decline over 30 years. Nobody will travel more than a few miles though as then another town will be nearer.

Different to e.g. Penrith with a population of ~15,000 but a much larger catchment area.



I thought now the Post Office, Royal Mail and Parcelforce were three separate businesses with the Post Office effectively just the retail counter service agent for both. Hence why a fee is payable to collect from a Post Office rather than as appropriate the Royal Mail or Parcelforce delivery office / depot.

Right now I can not think of anywhere where the the Post Office is still in the same stand-alone building as say 30 years ago. If the same building is still used by Royal Mail the Post Office has moved away be it now inside another store or stand-alone.
Hebden Bridge still has its 1930s post office in use - with attached sorting office.
 

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You're obviously a kinder man than me. :) My town is luckier than most in having retained all the major bank branches, plus Nationwide and Halifax, though there's a feeling (a very strong one in my case!)that one closing will start a domino effect. HSBC and Santander have been my candidates for the initial chop, and that was before both groups announced they'd be closing a number of branches. NatWest is my bank and all the staff address me by name (I will resist interest banking so long as it's feasible, just as I will keep my non-contactless debit card so long as they're issued).Occasionally I'm greeted by ex-bank staff in town who remember my name too, some from up to thirty years ago, like an ex-Manager who retired early!
Kinder - no, more worried about a missive from Messrs Sue, Grabbit and Runne. I suspect they can justify claims because they are careful with words. For instance, I looked at one of the 'with deep regret'* leaflets for a branch Santander are closing - '38% also use an additional Santander branch': I suspect that means have used one occasionally, maybe even just once. I do that, when I've been visiting nearby towns for leisure, I sometimes pay in a cheque, pay a bill, submit a DD request because I happen to be there and saves me making a trip locally, doesn't mean I want to do it on a regular basis. They are, at least, honest in that they give the percentage of those who actually use alternative methods of banking - some others just give the percentage of customers who use the branch and are registered for Online Banking and/or Telephone Banking. Maybe they've tried it and not been able to get on with it, maybe they have just been registered because they haven't ticked a box when they signed up for something. Some list the nearest alternative branches, giving distance, but failing to give how long it would take by public transport - even then it may take most of the day because of the timetables. There are statements like 'nearby branches', I have found over 15 miles without much effort but it is a vague term so they would probably get away with it. There is selective use of time periods when showing drops in usage (they will have a field day once lockdowns finish). Some don't adequately explain what cannot be carried out at a Post Office ('everyday banking' - vague term).

I recognise that bank services are changing but feel that, by the 'clever' use of words, they get away with massaging the impact on many older or less resourceful customers.

In the spirit of the thread, I would say that the big banks are not likely to seriously feature in this thread anytime soon simple because they are willing to discard customers who are too expensive to service.

* doesn't actually say that
 

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Thanks to the New Normal, I would say pretty much all pubs and most small businesses.
 

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This may be so, but what if the branch that those 38% use is closing as well!
You are right.
The aim is to close branches so I suspect this and every other inconvenience will be ignored. The ideal would be two branches close to one another where customers of one often visited the other; stats would show a significant number of customers for each of these branches use another branch as well - so both could be closed.

I've also noticed that several bank branches near me are closed on a daily or weekly basis because of 'staff shortages', this is almost certainly true but will be used as an excuse to close the branch as customers will have had to make alternative, but not necessarily convenient, arrangements.

Another 'convenience' will be to transfer accounts from a closing branch to another some distance away but within the bank's own regional structure. The transferred customers don't visit the branch they have been transferred to, ' only x% of customers use the branch on a regular basis' so close that branch as well. As an example I have found a case where accounts have been moved to a branch over 38 miles away with no train or bus links (according to the bank's own leaflet) and a 54 minute (scenic) drive. What percentage are likely to spend a couple of hours (and a couple of gallons) to do their banking?

Another loose claim is 'Broadband coverage is available in the surrounding area of the closing branch so you can bank online'. Reliable broadband? Throughout the surrounding area? What does 'surrounding' actually mean. They have jumped through the hoops, branch to close.
 

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I used to have a Royal Bank of Scotland branch within a 5 min walk.
That was closed.
The next nearest one was closed.
The next nearest one was closed.

The next nearest needs two buses to get to it.

I didn't use the local one that often because the opening times were useless for people who work during the day.
 

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You are right.
The aim is to close branches so I suspect this and every other inconvenience will be ignored. The ideal would be two branches close to one another where customers of one often visited the other; stats would show a significant number of customers for each of these branches use another branch as well - so both could be closed.

I've also noticed that several bank branches near me are closed on a daily or weekly basis because of 'staff shortages', this is almost certainly true but will be used as an excuse to close the branch as customers will have had to make alternative, but not necessarily convenient, arrangements.n

Another 'convenience' will be to transfer accounts from a closing branch to another some distance away but within the bank's own regional structure. The transferred customers don't visit the branch they have been transferred to, ' only x% of customers use the branch on a regular basis' so close that branch as well. As an example I have found a case where accounts have been moved to a branch over 38 miles away with no train or bus links (according to the bank's own leaflet) and a 54 minute (scenic) drive. What percentage are likely to spend a couple of hours (and a couple of gallons) to do their banking?

Another loose claim is 'Broadband coverage is available in the surrounding area of the closing branch so you can bank online'. Reliable broadband? Throughout the surrounding area? What does 'surrounding' actually mean. They have jumped through the hoops, branch to close.
While at my local NatWest just pre-Covid to arrange the transfer of a pittance from one account to another to avoid an overdraft, they were doing a hard sell on banking online instead. Just as my business had been concluded all their systems went down (to the embarassment of the poor clerk doing the P.R. job) and were down for a day, nationwide, on all NatWest online banking. At least the staff there no longer waste their breath, and my time, by trying to convince me. I know one day, should I live that long, my preferences will count for nothing.

P.S. I don't believe use of the word 'whopper' could ever lead to legal action, though a solicitor might be happy to trouser a fee for agreeing to write such a letter for an unhappy client; even use of the word 'dodgy' was fairly recently construed by the Speaker of the Commons not to be unparliamentary.
 
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A friend of mine tweeted this morning that he'd heard rumours about the Aberdeen store closing. It's an awfully big building to fill (some may argue it's an awful building!) and it would see the disappearance of what I believe is the only department store left in the city.

I wouldn't be surprised if the building goes. There's not much that could fill it, unless the Bon Accord Centre does something radical such as demolishing the St Nicholas part and moving tenants into there instead. But I suspect the most likely is for the old Norco House to simply be demolished if they can get away with it.

I've read a few months ago that it was denied listed status on the grounds that Peel intend to revitalise that part of George Street by putting a canopy up as well as creating new shops there, but it seems highly unlikely to happen now. Perhaps what might save Norco House in the end will be the fact that there's simply no use for it, so it might well just become cheap retail space.

The building is architecturally important, but whether ACC actually value Aberdeen's architecture is another question.
 

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My "branch" for my bank account is almost 100 miles from me. The "branch" for our joint account is somewhat closer, but still a 30 minute drive.

There is a branch in town, but I honestly can't remember when I last went in (and I seem to recall that I only used it for ease of changing foreign currency).

I've been signed up to online banking for over 20 years now and so far have been lucky with it being available when I need it. To be honest I'm not sure what functionality the branches provide that can't be done online?
 

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There are some categories of books which seem to be published solely for vast numbers of them to be sold off at substantial discount in The Works and similar - e.g. biographies of "celebrities", self-help books, diet books, etc - either the publishers vastly overestimate the potential to sell them at normal price (unlikely) or this is part of the business plan.
The larger discount booksellers (such as the Works) are no longer reliant on remaindered stock. They often order dedicated publishing runs (typically printed in the far-East), by agreement with the actual publisher.

That's why you'll find most branches carry the exact same stock (until they sell out).
 

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My "branch" for my bank account is almost 100 miles from me. The "branch" for our joint account is somewhat closer, but still a 30 minute drive.

There is a branch in town, but I honestly can't remember when I last went in (and I seem to recall that I only used it for ease of changing foreign currency).

I've been signed up to online banking for over 20 years now and so far have been lucky with it being available when I need it. To be honest I'm not sure what functionality the branches provide that can't be done online?
When I was buying my house, I had to go into the branch to transfer the deposit to the solicitors, because the amount was over the limit for online banking.

Apart from that, just paying in very occasional cheques (but now my mother has learned to use telephone banking to make transfers, they are few and far between).
 

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Apart from that, just paying in very occasional cheques (but now my mother has learned to use telephone banking to make transfers, they are few and far between).
I have an online banking app, you just simply take a picture of the cheque to cash it in.
 

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I have an online banking app, you just simply take a picture of the cheque to cash it in.
That's one key detail that banking apps do, where regular online banking won't cut it. It seems the banks are more trusting of integrated cameras that Android/IOS give them direct control over activating.

(I'm only on the online banking brigade, as I do that on devices that I'm not liable to carry around and drop out of my pocket etc. With weekly shopping for in-laws this past year, the fact that they don't do any form of remote banking, and the severely curtailed opening hours of all branches in my area, I've been doing a *lot* of shoving cheques in envelopes and popping them through bank letterboxes.)
 

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