If you are referring to new towns, these were not intended to be satellite towns of London dominated by commuter rail flows to London; they were intended to be standalone towns with their own economies and where the car would be the principal mode of transport.
More the likes of Walderslade (name iirc) on the South edge of the Medway towns. The biggest GLC housing estate - I heard it referred to.
But it turns out that these towns have no viable economy, and people have to scram into commuter trains to London!
Well there is some positive news about fuel price increases then
Well if that’s the official attitude of a major shopping destination, thank god for Amazon. Who wants to use any company that treats any part of its customer base as an annoyance and inconvenience. I’d be interested to see his figures for how much bus passengers spend (and yes, they do spend so he should be welcoming them with open arms).
The shopping centre customer base is the shops, not the footfall. They will want a hassle free environment so people spend money. So the shopping centre oblige and keep what they see as riff-raff out.
Online shopping is OK. I did an asda one when self isolating lato 2020. But they didnt send stuff i needed. Rubbish substitutions as well. So i prefer to go and see what i am buying. Especially fresh stuff.
Why would someone in charge of a shopping centre find it desirable to lose money subsidising buses, which in their experience bring in only the lowest spenders and worse, nuisance groups of people?
According to post #465 it is necessary in order to comply with a planning condition.
I was responding to the idea that the manager was somehow unfit to be a manager, when they were simply looking out for the business’ best interests. They are quite entitled to the view whilst maintaining the (in their view, commercially undesirable) bus subsidy as per the planning permission.
The railway obviously considers that the market for journeys from West Yorkshire to Darlington and Middlesbrough supports that fare level for walk-up travel.
its because the fare isnt a 1 operator fare. I think east cost will set the York - Darlington fare, or TPE the york - Middlesborough fare. Northern the bit to Whitby. And unless you are travelling from a TPE station in W Yorks, its Northern again. Multi operator fares seem very expensive, which isnt right.
I don't think that's necessarily the case (as I think I've said before). I have been an adult for a good while now, and I have got by without driving, mostly by living in large towns and cities, and working in places of employment on public transport routes. I enjoy walking in the countryside but, thanks to Europe (including the UK) having a decent public transport system, I have managed to visit a huge number of locations - from the South Downs and New Forest to the Alps and Pyrenees - by public transport alone.
But rural bus services haven been viable for many decades. The amount of bums of seats would be low, even for the once a week out and back market day services we can see in 1960's bus timetables (Look on timetable world)
Actually a huge number of people live in sparsely populated areas. And they sometimes visit cities. how would that work? P+R?
In which case they won’t know or care how much each bus user has spent if their customers are the shops.
Here we go again. If you are part of a small group of any kind in society you don’t matter. I used to think we lived in such a civilised country, clearly things have changed
I didnt say that. I said the shopping centre may seek to restrict entry to people who will spend money in their customers shops. How they determine that I dont know. I am not saying its right or equitable. Its just how they will operate.
Yes, they will know - or have a good idea. Do you believe the head of a multimillion pound corporation really cares about *how much money they make*, or instead cares more about making remarks about bus users through prejudice?
That isn’t what was said, was it? Bus users trend towards the lowest income people and hence it doesn’t appear to be surprising that they are the lowest spenders in large shopping malls. And it’s not that the buses are the issue - but rather that the centre has to pay for the subsidy to encourage people to come to it a shopping centre who don’t really make a lot of money for it.
But they are paying the subsidy for the buses, entirely in line with the planning permission! What a bad faith argument.
Even the route between Keighley and Todmorden is actually pretty heavily populated by the standards of Europe or other western socities.
and smaller places. Warwick/Leamington, Northampton, Knaresborough and Ilkley are dreadful. frequent gridlock.
