Class 93 Tri-mode Loco

[43096]

...but maybe not officially!

A monument to a botched procurement!

 

[zwk500]

...but maybe not officially!

They're lined up very neatly to be unofficial. I would guess there was a press photo event happening and somebody took their own photo when an opportunity arose.

 

[sjpowermac]

They're lined up very neatly to be unofficial. I would guess there was a press photo event happening and somebody took their own photo when an opportunity arose.

Someone has done that on purpose no?

Given that for 10 locos there are 3 628 800 permutations of the order they could be arranged, I would say that 1 to 10 was done on purpose!

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Given that for 10 locos there are 3 628 800 permutations of the order they could be arranged, I would say that 1 to 10 was done on purpose!

Have you actually worked that out haha?

 

[Trainman40083]

They're lined up very neatly to be unofficial. I would guess there was a press photo event happening and somebody took their own photo when an opportunity arose.

Had me wondering if it was AI .

 

[zwk500]

Had me wondering if it was AI .

Given the results from the AI thread https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/mad-ai-generated-picture.289210/ I think it would have taken somebody just as long to get an AI to do it as if they'd gone and shunted the locos themselves!

 

[sjpowermac]

Have you actually worked that out haha?

10! =3,628,800
10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1

 

[Bertie the bus]

Had me wondering if it was AI .

I'm pretty certain that isn't Worksop Down Yard so they either moved them all from the Down Yard to the Up Yard without anybody apparently noticing or it is fake.

 

[800001]

I'm pretty certain that isn't Worksop Down Yard so they either moved them all from the Down Yard to the Up Yard without anybody apparently noticing or it is fake.

To me it looks like they are parked in front of the main building in Worksop Down Yard, with the mainline behind the green fence.

I would say it looks genuine and could have been done for some publicity shots for ROG.

 

[Yorkshire09876]

10! =3,628,800
10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1

Yep! If you have a specified number of objects the total number of different orders in which they can be arranged is the factorial of the number of objects (factorials are expressed as [Number]!)

 

[sjpowermac]

Yep! If you have a specified number of objects the total number of different orders in which they can be arranged is the factorial of the number of objects (factorials are expressed as [Number]!)

Certainly if someone arranged the locos 1 to 10 by chance, they should buy a lottery ticket

 

[Bertie the bus]

To me it looks like they are parked in front of the main building in Worksop Down Yard, with the mainline behind the green fence.

I would say it looks genuine and could have been done for some publicity shots for ROG.

It might look like that to you but I'm positive you are wrong. There are so many things that suggest the "photo" wasn't taken there, including the number of tracks, the track layout, the absence of wooden poles and the background.

 

[zwk500]

It might look like that to you but I'm positive you are wrong. There are so many things that suggest the "photo" wasn't taken there, including the number of tracks, the track layout, the absence of wooden poles and the background.

The track layout, fence, trees and viewpoint suggest the photo is taken from about here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/NxCG2nP3ekKboPdi7. The Gantry with a signal (or similar, banner repeater?) on it is slightly throwing me though as there doesn't appear to be anything visible on google to match it to from that viewpoint and angle.

If it's faked, it's probably more photoshop of an existing photo of 1 or 2 locos than entirely AI generated (Although the editing could possibly be AI assisted). However it seems an odd thing to go to that effort to fake, while ROG would presumably be quite happy to arrange a photocall if they had a big announcement of a customer for them to work trains for. Mind you in this day you never know.

 

[800001]

It might look like that to you but I'm positive you are wrong. There are so many things that suggest the "photo" wasn't taken there, including the number of tracks, the track layout, the absence of wooden poles and the background.

If you are so positive that I am wrong, where was the photo taken?

I find it hard to believe that it's faked, and pretty sure if it had been in the other yard at Worksop people would have seen the locos been moved and shunted.

I'm sure an official picture from ROG will appear soon, as I can't imagine that they would not know the locos were being lined up like that.

 

[Bertie the bus]

If you are so positive that I am wrong, where was the photo taken?

I've already said. In fact you quoted the part where I said it when you came up with your theory.

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However it seems an odd thing to go to that effort to fake, while ROG would presumably be quite happy to arrange a photocall if they had a big announcement of a customer for them to work trains for. Mind you in this day you never know.

We've spent £50 million of new locomotives and look, we've got so little for them to do we can line the entire fleet up for a photo would be a strange a PR stunt

 

[800001]

I've already said. In fact you quoted the part where I said it when you came up with your theory.

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We've spent £50 million of new locomotives and look, we've got so little for them to do we can line the entire fleet up for a photo would be a strange a PR stunt

Seeing they are still under going testing and verification, it's irrelevant if they have work lined up or not, as until they are signed off for proper use they can't be used, so perfectly fine to line them up and take a picture!

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Nice pic at Worksop, this morning. In numerical order, as well! (Not my pic)

Where did you see/obtain the picture from?

 

[Belfastmarty]

Whilst it's an interesting photo, it's also a reminder of how agonisingly slow the introduction of these machines has been .. 2 years and counting at present. I'd imagine Star Capital will be looking for some sort of ROI sooner than later.

 

[800001]

Whilst it's an interesting photo, it's also a reminder of how agonisingly slow the introduction of these machines has been .. 2 years and counting at present. I'd imagine Star Capital will be looking for some sort of ROI sooner than later.

From what I've been told, the slow introduction is not necessarily ROGS fault, a lot is Network Rails.

The fact the 99s started testing more or less as soon they arrived in uk is down to the work that has gone on with the 93s.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

10! =3,628,800
10 x 9 x 8 x 7 x 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1

Fair enough

 

[800001]

Picture of the 93s lined up was taken in the Up yard, according to a member of the ROG team on FB.

 

[EveningStar]

There are pages and pages upthread of enthusiasts confidently opining that it won't pull the skin off a rice pudding! 50mph up Shap hauling 2100t. It must have grown some extra axles!

Has always been thus with new locomotives. When 50050 was transferred to the Western Region in the early 70's, there was a letter in the Railway Magazine confidently stating it struggled light engine over the Devon banks. Even since then taken enthusiast speculative pronouncements on performance with a massive amount off cynicism until proven by actual performance figures.

 

[kennythelad]

Seeing they are still under going testing and verification, it's irrelevant if they have work lined up or not, as until they are signed off for proper use they can't be used, so perfectly fine to line them up and take a picture!

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Where did you see/obtain the picture from?

Just checked with the friend that sent it to me, who’s well connected with ROG. He says an employee at the depot took the photo. It’s 100% not a fake.

 

[800001]

Just checked with the friend that sent it to me, who’s well connected with ROG. He says an employee at the depot took the photo. It’s 100% not a fake.

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[dmncf]

From what I've been told, the slow introduction is not necessarily ROGS fault, a lot is Network Rails.

The fact the 99s started testing more or less as soon they arrived in uk is down to the work that has gone on with the 93s.

Has the Class 88 played any part in making the testing of Class 93 & 99 any easier?

 

[Bertie the bus]

Seeing they are still under going testing and verification, it's irrelevant if they have work lined up or not, as until they are signed off for proper use they can't be used, so perfectly fine to line them up and take a picture!

Is that what some random ROG bod said on Facebook? One would have thought if they do have work for them then some of them would be busy doing stuff in order to be accepted but if you think nasty Network Rail is forcing them to all sit at Worksop, enabling a photo, then it must be true.

 

[800001]

Is that what some random ROG bod said on Facebook? One would have thought if they do have work for them then some of them would be busy doing stuff in order to be accepted but if you think nasty Network Rail is forcing them to all sit at Worksop, enabling a photo, then it must be true.

No one said NR is forcing them to all sit at Worksop, seeing that they are out every day on testing/training runs!
But until they are signed off for use they can't be used for official money earning duties.
But you knew that's what I meant. And also no not someone from rog on Facebook, but people in the places who actually know what they are talking about.

 

[800001]

Attached below are some pictures taken from a small brochure given to people who had a cab ride in the 93 at Derby The Greatest Gathering.

It shows you detailed information about the loco, including Traction Curves and Braking Curves.

 

[Bald Rick]

Interesting.

That Engine weighs 3 tonnes dry weight, the generator set is 2 tonnes, there’s nearly 3 tonnes of diesel fuel in the tank; add in exhaust system, coolant system, fluids etc etc and there’s easily 10 tonnes there for a 900kW engine.

 

[Devonman2014]

Attached below are some pictures taken from a small brochure given to people who had a cab ride in the 93 at Derby The Greatest Gathering.

It shows you detailed information about the loco, including Traction Curves and Braking Curves.

Same as what was given out at Long Marston rail live earlier this year.

Mostly info everyone knows from online sources and posted elsewhere but interesting nether the less.

 

[ac6000cw]

Attached below are some pictures taken from a small brochure given to people who had a cab ride in the 93 at Derby The Greatest Gathering.

It shows you detailed information about the loco, including Traction Curves and Braking Curves.

Interesting - thanks for posting.

On the tractive effort curves photo, anyone know what 'DAVIS PASS.250 ton' 'DAVIS PASS.2500 ton' etc. means or implies? The associated lines on the graph curve upwards (rather than down) as speed increases.