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Class 196s are to be used for EWR, at least initially. Longer term, who knows but any kind of electrification is years away.
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Class 93 Tri-mode Loco
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Class 196s are to be used for EWR, at least initially. Longer term, who knows but any kind of electrification is years away.
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Very true. Thanks a heap, Chris Grayling!
The WNXX website is reporting testing is due to recommence from Monday, light engine moves on the WCML.
Information below from www.wnxx.com
Information below from www.wnxx.com
Class 93 testing...
Some paths for movements to Crewe and for Class 93 mainline tests between Crewe and Carlisle have been created fro next week. Full scheduling looks to be in place for the 25th and 26th but it looks (currently) like additional paths are to be created for the 27th onwards. The main event is the run from Crewe to Carlisle and back late evening/into the early hours.
Rail Quest
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Fantastic news! I can also see an ECS on Monday arriving into Crewe South Yard from Castle Donnington so hopefully we'll see some loaded test runs not too long after: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K24218/2024-11-25/detailed
45076
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Service cancelled at the request of the operator.
The wait goes on
The wait goes on
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Class15
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Still nothing, might well be cancelled unfortunately
Not reported at Castle Donnington today. However left -70. Now approaching Tilbury and Hatton -55.
Rhysdabeast
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93001 should work VSTP 0Q43 15:13 Worksop Down Yard to Crewe South Yard after the earlier path was cancelled, currently waiting to leave Worksop
According to RTT has arrived at P12 at Crewe 94E.Eaitingvto reverse to the South Yard
Rhysdabeast
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Yes the ECS has, not the loco though
0Q43 due to pass Debt 1643
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Then works 0Q06 to Carlisle
Rail Quest
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What looks to be paths for a loaded test run have been added for Wednesday evening/Thursday morning:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K24235/2024-11-27/detailed
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K24235/2024-11-27/detailed
Realtime Trains | 5Q42 0239 Carlisle to Crewe South Yard | 28/11/2024
Real-time train running information for 5Q42 0239 departure from Carlisle to Crewe South Yard on 28/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Rhysdabeast
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A VSTP schedule has been created for tonight back to Worksop, might not run but posting just in case 0Q26 20:49 Crewe South Yard to Worksop Down Yard https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:32887/2024-11-28/detailed
Edit: This is now running, 37901 dragging 93001
Edit: This is now running, 37901 dragging 93001
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oh dear, this isn't loooking very promising.
Class15
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I have copied and pasted the Railcam “note” for this service:
93001 not playing ball, test runs cancelled and returning to Worksop
leomartin125
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That unfortunately, is correct. 93001 arrived on Monday 25th having had issues earlier in the day that meant that the pre-planned STP path had to be cancelled. This was replaced at late notice by a VSTP path in which the 93 travelled on diesel throughout from Worksop to Crewe.
It has been tested extensively under diesel power between Worksop and Sheffield previously and there are no issues with the diesel mode. The testing at Crewe was to test the locomotive under the OLE both light engine (initially) and with stock. Sadly things didn't go to plan, obviously issues found whilst on static test in Crewe South Yard - these cannot be rectified whilst away from depot so it was required to get the locomotive back to Worksop with 37901 dragging it in case of further issues en route back.
With the test stock now sat in Crewe South Yard taking up valuable space, the ROG team will be wanting to get the locomotive back to Crewe as soon as feasibly possible once the issues are resolved. So expect a path from Worksop back to Crewe in the not too distant future, likely in the next 7 days. Either that or move the stock back to Castle Donnington if the testing programme will be delayed due to the aforementioned issues.
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*Update 13:00 29/11*
Confirmed that the coaches for the 93 testing programme will be returning to Castle Donnington for storage tomorrow. So, very unlikely that the 93 will return to Crewe anytime soon it seems with the testing on the WCML now 'on hold' for the foreseeable.
Realtime Trains | 5M56 1105 Crewe South Yard to Castle Donington Emdc | 30/11/2024
Real-time train running information for 5M56 1105 departure from Crewe South Yard to Castle Donington Emdc on 30/11/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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ac6000cw
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Given that 93001 has been running from 25kV OHLE at Old Dalby (at up to 110mph) and at the Stadler, factory, is there an issue with using the OHLE at Crewe or just a fault on that loco in particular?
Could perhaps be the old chestnut of power supply on the North West Coast. In which case there are other places that could be used. Maybe based at Carlisle and run either North or South over the hills.
If 93002 is substituted it may be a loco related problem.
leomartin125
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Running on test at Old Dalby and inside factory limits at the Stadler factory (not even in the UK) are both very different to mainline testing. Though the power supply may be the same, there is a lot more demand on the WCML wires than at Old Dalby or at the Stadler factory. As '92002' has mentioned above, this is a very plausible explanation.
Given the test stock has also returned to Castle Donnington, it does seem unlikely that the issue is limited to 93001. This would suggest that the issue would affect all 93s, not just this one. I'm sure after a bit of tinkering, the locomotive will return to Crewe (in time) however the best option going forward would be to test it light engine first, the loaded test runs can come later once the 'niggles' have been ironed out.
If any news paths emerge, they will be posted on this thread.
Without wishing to be argumentative, what is there to suggest the problem is not just an issue with 93001? Given there is only one on the Network at the moment, there's no indication of that. As for 93002 - I havent been told that it has been accepted or passed for operation under its own power on the network ( I could have been and I havent been informed! ) but if it hasnt, thats why that didnt go to Crewe to replace. There's much discussion within the rail freight industry of the locos, little of it seems to be good, but the vast majority is speculation and rumour.
The one thing for sure is that while a Class 93 is around 20% of an '88' in terms of components and parts, it is a very different machine, and "very complicated". But its also new and teething problems, minor issues and quirks all have to be worked out with everything that is new.
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There's also a distinct lack of customers for it. It is hard to escape the view that ROG are dragging their heels with acceptance because they have dropped an almighty clanger in ordering locos with no custoemrs signed up to use them.
Trainman40083
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I thought there was a report of interest from Freightliner
Having a potential customer saying "We may be interested in using them if you get them built" is not solid enough assurance for very many investors to spend £millions so either there is a customer lined up who is guaranteed to be using them or the alternative is...
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Class15
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According to a reliable source Freightliner have purchased some/most of the 12 serviceable ex-DB class 90s instead.
Think there may have been a plan for the West Coast Sleeping trains . However the contract is with GBRf who are expecting 99s shortlyCue a 93 turned out in the FL 60th anniversary livery.
Class15
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How many times does it have to be said that the 99s will not be fitted with ETH and will not be used on the Sleeper?
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"Report of interest" is rather a long way from a signed contract, especially for a loco that hasn't turned a wheel on a freight test train. It also doesn't really square with Freightliner having bought two extra Class 90s from DB (90018/040).