Class 810 Initial Diagrams

[Judith hambly]

Pathetic. A toilet is a toilet. How hard can it be. Meanwhile use another 810

 

[liamf656]

Pathetic. A toilet is a toilet. How hard can it be. Meanwhile use another 810

Do you know what exactly the issue is or whether it affects one unit or all of them? Do you know what the fix is and how long it takes? And would you be satisfied to see a faulty unit put into service on its first day?

 

[Railperf]

According to this source the issue affects the whole fleet...and has been a headache for months.

https://x.com/ChimeWhistle/status/1993620426438885436?t=vfqNXKo7fTIQlgDVhvt0Pg&s=19

According to sources at EMR, the problem has been ongoing for months, leaving everyone scratching their heads.

Also it seems they believe the first Saturday diagram was due to commence Saturday 29th with the 8:50 Nottingham to St Pancras

https://x.com/ChimeWhistle/status/1993382106131812805?t=q__uzkfBXo34tGzeDV63pA&s=19

If things work out as planned (!) 29 November will see the first Saturday 810 diagram introduced, starting with the 08.50 Nottingham to St.Pancras.

 

[AlterEgo]

From what I’ve heard, priority is to replace 7 car Meridian diagrams first so quite likely. As always though, we wait and see

Assume this is with 10 car 810s? Surely not just 5 cars?

 

[liamf656]

Assume this is with 10 car 810s? Surely not just 5 cars?

Considering a 5 car 810 has more capacity than a 7 car 222 (in standard class), it should be okay. A 10 car 810 will be even better once it's possible

 

[43102EMR]

Assume this is with 10 car 810s? Surely not just 5 cars?

Sadly this will be with 5 cars from what I’ve been told. As mentioned above a 5 car 810 just has less FC seating to a 7 car 222, but more standard seating.

 

[Cowley]

Thread reopened for @Railperf to update

 

[liamf656]

To be 810010 tomorrow

5C17 0522 XEP SHF 0631
1C17 0700 SHF STP 0909
5C17 0923 STP CRI 0943
5F32 1103 CRI STP 1120
1F32 1132 STP SHF 1342
1C59 1400 SHF STP 1609
5D61 1620 STP STP 1650
1D61 1705 STP NOT 1855
1B88 1913 NOT STP 2054
1F82 2132 STP SHF 2341
5F82 2356 SHF XEP 0114

From the main thread

 

[Sonyman66]

810010 is working 1C17 today just passed through Chesterfield

 

[Mag_seven]

Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss Class 810 diagrams. For anything else Class 810 related such as the number of seats, please use this thread:

Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates

thanks - useful reminder. Can you recall how many seats were on an EMR HST by any chance (before they started shortening them in the final period)? I can't remember the direct answer, but also remember the 360s helped replace the HSTs through cascade so if we compare the capacity of 222/HST vs...

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[Roger B]

Looks like 810006 on 1C17 this morning ....

Realtime Trains | 1C17 0700 Sheffield to St Pancras International | 04/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1C17 0700 departure from Sheffield to St Pancras International on 04/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[GW43125]

Pulled from service after 1F32. 1C59 starts at Derby with 222004.

 

[duffield]

So so far it looks like 810010 will manage its full diagram today (fingers crossed). But do we have any idea what's happening on Saturday and Sunday?

I'm wondering if maybe there will be no 810s at the weekend due to (say) the availability of the Hitachi travelling engineers who've apparently been trying to fix issues on the move, or due to the availability of 810 trained drivers etc.

 

[liamf656]

So so far it looks like 810010 will manage its full diagram today (fingers crossed). But do we have any idea what's happening on Saturday and Sunday?

I'm wondering if maybe there will be no 810s at the weekend due to (say) the availability of the Hitachi travelling engineers who've apparently been trying to fix issues on the move, or due to the availability of 810 trained drivers etc.

There are traincrew and rolling stock diagrams in place for weekends which I have, but with engineering works (Erewash diverts) happening I can't guarantee they'll be correct for this weekend

 

[Mids Transport]

There are traincrew and rolling stock diagrams in place for weekends which I have, but with engineering works (Erewash diverts) happening I can't guarantee they'll be correct for this weekend

Any ideas on what the planned diagram for tomorrow will be?

 

[liamf656]

Any ideas on what the planned diagram for tomorrow will be?

Can't see anything to suggest an 810 will even be out tomorrow, but here's hoping

 

[tfw756rider]

Talking of hoping, I hope that 1D53 1535 St. Pancras International to Nottingham will be an 810 tomorrow (Sat 6/12/25) as that would be the only one I'd be able to catch with what else I'm doing on the day. Any chance at all?

Realtime Trains | 1D53 1535 St Pancras International to Nottingham | 06/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1D53 1535 departure from St Pancras International to Nottingham on 06/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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[liamf656]

Talking of hoping, I hope that 1D53 1535 St. Pancras International to Nottingham will be an 810 tomorrow (Sat 6/12/25) as that would be the only one I'd be able to catch with what else I'm doing on the day. Any chance at all?

Realtime Trains | 1D53 1535 St Pancras International to Nottingham | 06/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1D53 1535 departure from St Pancras International to Nottingham on 06/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Don't be surprised if it's a 222

 

[duffield]

Talking of hoping, I hope that 1D53 1535 St. Pancras International to Nottingham will be an 810 tomorrow (Sat 6/12/25) as that would be the only one I'd be able to catch with what else I'm doing on the day. Any chance at all?

Realtime Trains | 1D53 1535 St Pancras International to Nottingham | 06/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 1D53 1535 departure from St Pancras International to Nottingham on 06/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

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Pure guesswork based on planned platforms, but if an 810 starts off as 1C17 0732 Derby** to St Pancras International then it looks like it might be just shuttling between Derby and St. Pancras at least until teatime. I would definitely not get your hopes up.

** 1C17 has been an 810 for the last few days, on Saturday it's starting from Derby instead of Sheffield due to Ambergate junction to Clay Cross being closed.

Edit: Completely wrong! 810010 is shuttling between London and Nottingham today, including operating 1D53, see diagram below.

 

[tfw756rider]

Thanks both - I don't mind leaving the 810 riding for a later day, was just seeing if I could fit some in as my priority tomorrow is to have first rides on a couple of soon-to-be-withdrawn classes.

 

[liamf656]

Pure guesswork based on planned platforms, but if an 810 starts off as 1C17 0732 Derby** to St Pancras International then it looks like it might be just shuttling between Derby and St. Pancras at least until teatime. I would definitely not get your hopes up.

** 1C17 has been an 810 for the last few days, on Saturday it's starting from Derby instead of Sheffield due to Ambergate junction to Clay Cross being closed.

I'll share the usual 810 Saturday diagram just for reference, but I do believe (as an educated guess) it will be a 222 tomorrow

DY701
5B25 0800 XEP NOT 0839
1B25 0850 NOT STP 1027
1D31 1105 STP NOT 1251
1B52 1312 NOT STP 1454
1D53 1535 STP NOT 1709
1B79 1750 NOT STP 1927
1D96 2005 STP NOT 2148
5D96 2211 NOT XEP 2250

tfw756rider, you are right in thinking the journey you linked should be an 810, but whether it actually will be remains to be seen when allocations come out

 

[tfw756rider]

I'll share the usual 810 Saturday diagram just for reference, but I do believe (as an educated guess) it will be a 222 tomorrow

DY701
5B25 0800 XEP NOT 0839
1B25 0850 NOT STP 1027
1D31 1105 STP NOT 1251
1B52 1312 NOT STP 1454
1D53 1535 STP NOT 1709
1B79 1750 NOT STP 1927
1D96 2005 STP NOT 2148
5D96 2211 NOT XEP 2250

tfw756rider, you are right in thinking the journey you linked should be an 810, but whether it actually will be remains to be seen when allocations come out

Cheers - I'll expect it to not be, but if it is, it would be a nice surprise

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 6 Dec 2025 ==

810010 has now been allocated!

 

[Bob85]

Yep, covering what used to be a 7 car Meridian diagram today I believe.

 

[duffield]

Cheers - I'll expect it to not be, but if it is, it would be a nice surprise

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 6 Dec 2025 ==

810010 has now been allocated!

Incoming service which makes up yours left Nottingham 40 minutes late (sadly due to person hit by train earlier today), it's currently due in around 1535 so even if it makes up a little time the 1535 will surely be late leaving St. Pancras.

 

[tfw756rider]

Incoming service which makes up yours left Nottingham 40 minutes late (sadly due to person hit by train earlier today), it's currently due in around 1535 so even if it makes up a little time the 1535 will surely be late leaving St. Pancras.

Yes indeed, departed St. Pancras 13 minutes late but was 31 minutes late into Nottingham due to having to fit in around on-time services. I've posted about my experience.

 

[Railperf]

Two diagrams operating today for the first time.

 

[Killingworth]

Two diagrams operating today for the first time.

1C38 1037 Sheffield to St Pancras, 810010 leaving Chesterfield and distracting those waiting to see Tornado run through Platform 3 10 minutes later.

 

[AndrewJM70]

Any ideas about diagram 3?

 

[InTheEastMids]

Any ideas about diagram 3?

As an uninformed observer, with the 2 remaining 7-car Cl222 the next to leave, and EMR will obviously need to avoid diagrams that split/join, then I think what's most likely is replacing workings that 222003/004 have been doing over the past few days. You can do that here:

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[liamf656]

Any ideas about diagram 3?

DY703
5C11 0444 XEP SHF 0536
1C11 0556 SHF STP 0808
1F17 0832 STP SHF 1043
1C41 1100 SHF STP 1308
1D43 1335 STP NOT 1507
1B67 1550 NOT STP 1728
1F65 1802 STP SHF 2002
1C98 2101 SHF STP 2316
1D88 2335 STP NOT 0219
5D88 0233 NOT XEP 0305