Class 800 possible on Crossrail?

[ess]

Could an IET run through the Crossrail tunnels? Would it fit/be possible (although not probable!)?

 

[hwl]

Could an IET run through the Crossrail tunnels? Would it fit/be possible (although not probable!)?

There is a nice DfT and EU approved derogation banning all no CR stock to stop all crayon based activities.
The platform height is 1100mm (level) with mininal gap so there would probably be much scraping...

 

[GreatAuk]

Not to mention the signalling system and platform screen door spacing being incompatible.

 

[Cowley]

There is a nice DfT and EU approved derogation banning all no CR stock to stop all crayon based activities.
The platform height is 1100mm (level) with mininal gap so there would probably be much scraping...

What if it took a really long run up..?

 

[GreatAuk]

What if it took a really long run up..?

Could call it 'dynamic regauging' or something to sell the concept

 

[HowardGWR]

Why not construct your HS2-HS1 classic compatible train to class 345 dimensions? Just alter the interior seating, etc?

 

[nlogax]

Could call it 'dynamic regauging' or something to sell the concept

Yeah, we definitely need the Like function on here

 

[ess]

So it won’t fit?

 

[hwl]

So it won’t fit?

No - unfortunately the forum requires more than 5 character responses!

And a very deliberate plan to make sure no open access type operators could force ORR to give them access with the derogation.

 

[AM9]

Could an IET run through the Crossrail tunnels? Would it fit/be possible (although not probable!)?

Why would anybody want it to?

 

[swt_passenger]

Just to reiterate (post #3) that even if another typical class of ‘short vehicle’ fitted the structure gauge, it still wouldn’t match up with the platform doors designed specifically for 345s with 3 sets of doors per 22m carriage.

So there’s a good reason why no-one else but Crossrail will ever use those tunnels. I can’t believe it still gets suggested after all these years...

 

[Sad Sprinter]

In the 1990s, there was a brief plan to run CTRL domestics through Crossrail via a Junction at Ripple Lane. Wondered what it would have been like if it went ahead.

 

[AM9]

Just to reiterate (post #3) that even if another typical class of ‘short vehicle’ fitted the structure gauge, it still wouldn’t match up with the platform doors designed specifically for 345s with 3 sets of doors per 22m carriage.

So there’s a good reason why no-one else but Crossrail will ever use those tunnels. I can’t believe it still gets suggested after all these years...

It seems that posters spend a lot of time dreaming up pointless subjects for threads. Maybe they just want to get their post total up.

 

[ess]

I was more interested in whether a non stopping service could make it through the tunnels and out the other side for an intercity journey rather than stopping at crossrail stations

 

[HowardGWR]

I was more interested in whether a non stopping service could make it through the tunnels and out the other side for an intercity journey rather than stopping at crossrail stations

See my suggestion above, in that case!

 

[HowardGWR]

It seems that posters spend a lot of time dreaming up pointless subjects for threads. Maybe they just want to get their post total up.

And others achieve it by replying! I see you are up to 5,827.

 

[hwl]

I was more interested in whether a non stopping service could make it through the tunnels and out the other side for an intercity journey rather than stopping at crossrail stations

They were fully aware it migh be suggested or attempted so worked hard to prevent. The aim is to ratchet up to 30tph in the peaks and they don't want to introduce other operator issues.

 

[alangla]

As I understand it, class 66s have run through on engineering trains - would there be anything, other than NR/TfL saying no, stopping either a Hastings unit or a 66/87 & a train of Mk1/2s running through in the dead of night on a tour, similar to the 319s that went to Calais before the tunnel fully opened

 

[Tio Terry]

Similarly, would there be anything preventing a 345 from running from, say, Norwich to Bristol or Cardiff (once the electrification is complete)?

 

[AM9]

And others achieve it by replying! I see you are up to 5,827.

Perhaps you could identify any pointless threads that I have started then.

 

[bastien]

They've got to do at least one crazy railtour, surely?

 

[Bayum]

It seems that posters spend a lot of time dreaming up pointless subjects for threads. Maybe they just want to get their post total up.

And how would you gauge between which questions are genuine and which questions are 'pointless subjects'?

Maybe you've got the answer on the tip of your tongue, but spare some thought for those who do not and are asking to find out - they even wrote in their question, 'Would it fit/be possible (although not probable!)?'

 

[S-Bahn]

Excluding Crossrail for a moment - assuming a number of Intercity tunnels were built under London with entry points outside the M25, would that make a significant improvement to travelling in and out and through London, instead of relying on Victorian terminus stations built on what was the green-belt of outer London at the time, and freeing up local lines for commuter services (thinking of Waterloo, Victoria, and London Bridge specifically).

(E.g Bristol - Southend, Newcastle - Brighton, Manchester to Dover, Norwich - Southampton, and assuming infrastructure standardisation is implemented).

I for one would be very happy if my GWR IET called at Liverpool St/Moorgate and Canary Wharf.

 

[swt_passenger]

Excluding Crossrail for a moment - assuming a number of Intercity tunnels were built under London with entry points outside the M25, would that make a significant improvement to travelling in and out and through London, instead of relying on Victorian terminus stations built on what was the green-belt of outer London at the time, and freeing up local lines for commuter services (thinking of Waterloo, Victoria, and London Bridge specifically).

(E.g Bristol - Southend, Newcastle - Brighton, Manchester to Dover, Norwich - Southampton, and assuming infrastructure standardisation is implemented).

I for one would be very happy if my GWR IET called at Liverpool St/Moorgate and Canary Wharf.

No, because the majority of people don’t cross London, and those that do don’t want to travel in and then out to the same “opposite” destination. This idea has come up a few times before in the forums, and it hasn’t ever really gained any support.

 

[superalbs]

Similarly, would there be anything preventing a 345 from running from, say, Norwich to Bristol or Cardiff (once the electrification is complete)?

Human Rights Agreement?

 

[S-Bahn]

No, because the majority of people don’t cross London, and those that do don’t want to travel in and then out to the same “opposite” destination. This idea has come up a few times before in the forums, and it hasn’t ever really gained any support.

Allow me to clarify - my assumption was that on an "intercity cross-rail" between Paddington and Fenchurch Street, there would be some other stations such as Tottenham Court Road being the new "hauptbahnhof" interchange for all the routes and other stops at some key points.

Does it not make sense for the Newcastle to London to become the London to Brighton afterwards and vice versa? Aren't a significant majority of the Cross-Country users just heading to Birmingham New Street?

Also a great many people who get off at Waterloo get onto the Waterloo and City line to Bank, or the Northern Line heading towards Tottenham Court Road/Holborn etc. So many people who are travelling into London are actually heading to their offices in the City, Canary Wharf or another employment hub etc.

So it would make sense for the intercity services to actually stop at key stations in the middle of London, rather than having to terminate at Waterloo late as it's sharing track with commuter services.

There is clearly support for the idea of building an "S-Bahn" for London, hence Crossrail 1 and now Crossrail 2). Why not do the same for the intercity services?

 

[swt_passenger]

There isn’t room to build all the additional interchange station capacity you’d need where your proposed lines would cross. The vast majority of passengers would still need to change.

This should really be in the speculation forum now anyway?

 

[S-Bahn]

There isn’t room to build all the additional interchange station capacity you’d need where your proposed lines would cross. The vast majority of passengers would still need to change.

You're right it wouldn't happen in our real world, but in an ideal world I'm sure the workforce heading in and out of London everyday would prefer to get off closer to their workplace and/or choose to live near a station that gives them a direct route to work in the City. And if the powers that be had known this in the 19th century the railways in the UK would be very different.

I accept I will never be able to get an IET into the heart of London's CBD.

I for one will be glad when Crossrail opens and I can get off my IET and have an air-conditioned 345 to my office in the City, as opposed to the bad old days of coming into Waterloo from outside the M25 and having to fight through the crowds on the City line.

 

[Harbornite]

No...

 

[AlastairFraser]

Similarly, would there be anything preventing a 345 from running from, say, Norwich to Bristol or Cardiff (once the electrification is complete)?

Yes. Signalling. I don't think the GWML beyond Reading is ECML equipped.