dereksingh291
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Any idea when the LNWR 730s will enter service?
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Did it definitely have 2+2 seating? It wasn't quite clear from the youtube video.
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Probably late 2024 or early 2025.
SuperLuke2334
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That only depends on the 730/0s entering service on the Cross City, the person you are replying to is talking about the LNWR ones, not the WMR ones.
My bad I thought the 730/0s could only move to the Cross City line once the LNWR ones had entered service to allow the 730/0s to be replaced on London services.
Since the 730/0s will be operating current 319 services. I had forgotten how many 319s LNWR have left and how many 730/0s have been built.
Bletchleyite
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There are only a few 319 diagrams. Either 6 or 8 units if I recall.
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There will be a maximum of 10 units allocated to Bletchley at any one time. Units from the fleet of 48 can move in and out of that 10, but the requirement for the southern end of the WCML is 8 units in service plus two spares.
childwallblues
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Can anybody inform me what the three 730salongside the main line in Bletchley Yard are please?
This morning they were 730.010, 011 and 016
childwallblues
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Many thanks for your reply.
Bletchleyite
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It's also that the elements of the livery are proportioned based on the height of the bodyside rather than the width, which means on a 24m bodyshell there are more gaps between them. On a 350 the livery looks a bit crowded, whereas on a 730 it seems to look quite good - I suspect the design was proportioned for a 24m vehicle.
Yes you're right, I thought the 730 looked a bit less chaotic but I couldn't work out why.
The livery looks a lot better for it.
It is indeed, because the base white and green carriage ends were painted on, with the other parts of the livery being vinyl, while it's all metallic vinyl on the 350s (which is starting to look a tad shoddy, with bits of yellow on the front becoming visible, especially around the headlights).
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730202 seems to have started mainline testing.
https://twitter.com/PlatformEdge1/status/1697265586919592344
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Bevan Price
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That must be what I passed near Edge Hill about noon today (31 August)
There were 4x730/0s at Crewe carriage sheds yesterday.
I think 3 were 02, 13, and 22 but does anyone know the 4th which was at the London end?
Bigvernicus
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Notice the numbers uses to renumer set 202 are larger than those on build so look slightly odd.
Indeed, looks terrible up close! Very noticeable on the 2nd 2 in particular
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Has the removal of seat 3 been a simple chop-off, with no 1"-2" spacer put inbetween the remaining seats? Couldn't see one the other day, and seats 1 & 2 look totally flush.
Possibly will end up like Merseyrail's awful newtrains trams abominations where many of the passengers on the outside seat overhang the aisle.
Possibly will end up like Merseyrail's awful new
No, the 730/2s will have tables and armrests AFAIK, they are being used on some of WMTs longest services. The 730/0s for WMR commuter services do not have armrests, though the seats on these are relatively wide.
It's worth noting that the interior of 202 seemingly isn't final, since it still has first class.
According to a WMT exec, the interior is "intercity style."
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On 15th August the line up was 02, 16, 21 and 22, if that helps any?
Many thanks.
Wyrleybart
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Can anyone confirm the plans for the non 730/0 please ?
As I initially understood it WMR / LNR were having 35 x 3 car 730/0, the balance being some 730/1 and 730/2. The /0s were principally for Birmingham Cross City and West Mids work, and the /1s and /2s were effectively replacements for 350/2s and 319s, plus a margin of more seats to "grow the business".
Delays to the Aventra build programme have seen a delay to the replacement of the 319s. so it seems the 730/0s have been prioritised around training the ex Silverlink crews on class 730 by using the 730/0s shuttling from and to Oxley.
AFAIK the 730/0 build has been increased from 35 x 3 cars to 48 x 3 cars. So assuming that 730036-730048 are actually 730/1s or 730/2s than theoretically means 26 less intermediate cars to reduce the 5 car units to 3 cars, but were they going to be /1s or /2s ?
From what I have read, 730102 stored at Crewe sesm to have been renumbered 730202, so I am guessing WMR / LNR are keeping ther 730/2 subclass, so does that mean 730/1 have given up their order to make the extra 730/0s ?
Many thanks for any explanation
As I initially understood it WMR / LNR were having 35 x 3 car 730/0, the balance being some 730/1 and 730/2. The /0s were principally for Birmingham Cross City and West Mids work, and the /1s and /2s were effectively replacements for 350/2s and 319s, plus a margin of more seats to "grow the business".
Delays to the Aventra build programme have seen a delay to the replacement of the 319s. so it seems the 730/0s have been prioritised around training the ex Silverlink crews on class 730 by using the 730/0s shuttling from and to Oxley.
AFAIK the 730/0 build has been increased from 35 x 3 cars to 48 x 3 cars. So assuming that 730036-730048 are actually 730/1s or 730/2s than theoretically means 26 less intermediate cars to reduce the 5 car units to 3 cars, but were they going to be /1s or /2s ?
From what I have read, 730102 stored at Crewe sesm to have been renumbered 730202, so I am guessing WMR / LNR are keeping ther 730/2 subclass, so does that mean 730/1 have given up their order to make the extra 730/0s ?
Many thanks for any explanation
Can't remember the new balance of the order but the /1 subclass has been dropped, so once fully in service all /0 will be WMR Cross City and Wolves/Walsall, and the /2 will be Crewe/Euston. Some may find themselves on the Liverpool/New St as that service is going back to 2tph in December so could benefit from the increase in capacity.
As far as training goes, yes it's Bletchley crew first. Driver instructors at Crewe have also been trained as they sign Wolves/Walsall as well as WCML north of Rugby, not sure where New St is at with their training.
The new balance is 48x730/0 and 36x730/2. The original was 36x730/0, 29x730/1 and 16x730/2.
pokemonsuper9
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So less carriages (324 vs 333) but more units (84 vs 81).
Bletchleyite
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Yep. I believe I read in Modern Railways at the time of the change that the reduced number of vehicles compensates for the added cost of extra cabs in the higher number of units, so the total cost of the order has not changed.
Merle Haggard
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So, ignoring the 319s, 36 730/2s replace 37 350/2s. No increase in number of sets so difficult to see how, for instance, the Liverpools could be increased as that would obviously require more sets. But more seats. Unless the 730/0s remain on Euston - Bletchley/Milton K..