Class 707 - SWT: Introduction into service

[TEW]

Also the 2nd diagram with does 9D10 etc in the morning will have an evening part:
2V47 1637 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R53 1815 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford

 

[BRX]

Is there a delivery to Clapham Yard this weekend?

There's a set waiting at Dollands Moor at the moment, I believe, due to be delivered tonight (as in Friday night into Saturday):

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R90256/2017/10/13/advanced

 

[Peter Mugridge]

5V39 1356 Clapham Yard-London Waterloo
2V39 1537 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R45 1615 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford

Can I just check - do you mean 14.37? Based on the time of the ecs and how tight that looks between 15.37 and 16.15?

 

[Siemens Staines]

2H92 0700 Shepperton-London Waterloo via Richmond
2R13 0815 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
5Y24 1000 London Waterloo-Clapham Yard
5V39 1356 Clapham Yard-London Waterloo
2V39 1537 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R45 1615 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S55 1752 London Waterloo-Weybridge
2S64 1937 Weybridge-London Waterloo

Presumably this will release a second pair of 458/5 for the Reading line - if so, does anyone know which turn?

 

[TEW]

Can I just check - do you mean 14.37? Based on the time of the ecs and how tight that looks between 15.37 and 16.15?

Yes I do, thanks for spotting that.

 

[TEW]

Presumably this will release a second pair of 458/5 for the Reading line - if so, does anyone know which turn?

It should do, haven't seen any turns suggested though.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Thank you for your reply. Looking further I guess it could be two extra pairs of 458/5 in the evening peak on the Readings as 2V47/2R53 used to be 2*458/5 as well as 2V39 etc. And then maybe 4 450s for Ascot - Guildford, almost wiping out the 456s on Surrey Heath? (which has to be desirable at this time of the year). It is amazing potentially how much difference just two extra pairs of 707 can make.

 

[TEW]

Should be one Guildford-Ascot diagram that goes to 450 from Monday. It isn't ideal to have a mix of stock on the line, as two of the diagrams are required to be coupled in the evening, wouldn't work very well if one was a 450 and one a 456!

 

[Kite159]

Good news that more services are going over to be 707 operated

 

[BRX]

There's a set waiting at Dollands Moor at the moment, I believe, due to be delivered tonight (as in Friday night into Saturday):

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R90256/2017/10/13/advanced

For anyone interested - the working from Wembley to Dollands Moor to collect this seems to have been cancelled, not sure if this means it's off for this evening.

 

[spark001uk]

For anyone interested - the working from Wembley to Dollands Moor to collect this seems to have been cancelled, not sure if this means it's off for this evening.

Yes, the working to Clapham has been cancelled now too. It was only activated at 4.19 this afternoon too! Unless that process is automatic that is.

 

[superalbs]

Hello, are there (or will there be) any Class 707 services on weekends, particularly Saturdays?

Thanks.

 

[BRX]

Yes, the working to Clapham has been cancelled now too. It was only activated at 4.19 this afternoon too! Unless that process is automatic that is.

Is now set to run today (in daylight!)

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O35051/2017/10/14/advanced

 

[WWTownEnth]

Once all of the 707s are in traffic, will there still be a need to run 455s and 450s on the Windsor side or will they all go to the main line?

 

[Monty]

Once all of the 707s are in traffic, will there still be a need to run 455s and 450s on the Windsor side or will they all go to the main line?

Short term a number of 450s will have to stay on the Windsor side as Basingstoke Depot do not currently sign 707s and they have several jobs that take them to Weybridge via Hounslow and to Staines.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Is now set to run today (in daylight!)

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O35051/2017/10/14/advanced

cancelled again!!

 

[3973EXL]

Try this one!

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O35125/2017/10/14/advanced

 

[Spartacus]

3973EXL beat me to it!

56312 & 081 in charge, should have been 47813 & 848 except 813 had wheelslip issues at Sharnbrook this morning.

 

[GW43125]

3973EXL beat me to it!

56312 & 081 in charge, should have been 47813 & 848 except 813 had wheelslip issues at Sharnbrook this morning.

Reported elsewhere as being 301 not 312. No idea which is correct.

*EDIT* Just seen a picture of 301 with 081

 

[BRX]

Here they are passing me in south london just now

 

[Spartacus]

Reported elsewhere as being 301 not 312. No idea which is correct.

*EDIT* Just seen a picture of 301 with 081

Whoops, fat finger syndrome!

 

[WWTownEnth]

Short term a number of 450s will have to stay on the Windsor side as Basingstoke Depot do not currently sign 707s and they have several jobs that take them to Weybridge via Hounslow and to Staines.

Thanks. And after that what happens? are there enough 707s and 458/5s to cover all Windsor line diagrams (including Reading, Weybridge and Hounslow loop) even after the services patterns to Windsor and Reading are increased?

 

[theironroad]

Here they are passing me in south london just now

Anyone know why the 707s were being moved with containers at both ends of them?

 

[Domh245]

I expect that it is because the train isn't braked,the container wagons are being used to provide enough braking force to the consist

 

[spark001uk]

Anyone know why the 707s were being moved with containers at both ends of them?

@Domh245 is right. The braking system on the units isn't operational at that stage, so the wagons brake for it.

 

[spark001uk]

Hello, are there (or will there be) any Class 707 services on weekends, particularly Saturdays?
Thanks.

Not sure, there's engineering up at Waterloo again this weekend. Funny thing is this weekend the hourly Woking via Hounslow loop services are being worked by 455s, not 458s. Wonder if it's because they're needed elsewhere? Wouldn't have thought so though, as Sunday services generally require less stock if anything?

 

[Kite159]

Not sure, there's engineering up at Waterloo again this weekend. Funny thing is this weekend the hourly Woking via Hounslow loop services are being worked by 455s, not 458s. Wonder if it's because they're needed elsewhere? Wouldn't have thought so though, as Sunday services generally require less stock if anything?

It was a 458 on the 07:52 Woking - Waterloo this morning

 

[gazr]

707s parked up in Wimbledon shed (carriage cleaning, not Durnsford road where they are ususlly kept) for tomorrow's diagrams... looks like it's on. 707009 was one of them.

 

[spark001uk]

It was a 458 on the 07:52 Woking - Waterloo this morning

The rest have been 455s though, I didn't even have to get up and go outside cos you can hear those horrendous kiepe motors a mile away!

 

[TEW]

So if all goes well then, this should be the state of play tomorrow.

707

Diagram 1
5U07 0502 Wimbledon Park Depot-London Waterloo
2U07 0558 London Waterloo-Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U14 0721 Windsor & Eton Riverside-London Waterloo
Repeat every 2.5 hours until
2U67 2058 London Waterloo-Windsor & Eton Riverside
2U74 2221 Windsor & Eton Riverside-London Waterloo
5Y80 2332 London Waterloo-Wimbledon Park Depot

Diagram 2
3F09 0500 Wimbledon Park Depot-Guildford
9D10 0558 Guildford-London Waterloo via Epsom
9F09 0720 London Waterloo-Woking
9F96 0817 Woking-London Waterloo
3Y83 0914 London Waterloo-Wimbledon Park Depot
5V47 1610 Wimbledon Park Depot-London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R53 1815 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
5Y36 1955 London Waterloo-Clapham Yard

Diagram 3
5H91 0602 Clapham Yard-Shepperton
2H92 0700 Shepperton-London Waterloo via Richmond
2R13 0815 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
5Y24 1000 London Waterloo-Clapham Yard
5V39 1356 Clapham Yard-London Waterloo
2V39 1437 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Brentford and Richmond
2R45 1615 London Waterloo-London Waterloo via Richmond and Brentford
2S55 1752 London Waterloo-Weybridge
2S64 1937 Weybridge-London Waterloo
5Y92 2112 London Waterloo-Wimbledon Park Depot


458 to Reading

Diagram 1
5N92 0642 Farnham Depot-Farnham
1N92 0651 Farnham-London Waterloo via Ascot
2C83 0837 London Waterloo-Reading
2C28 1009 Reading-London Waterloo
2C31 1150 London Waterloo-Reading
2C42 1339 Reading-London Waterloo
2C45 1520 London Waterloo-Reading
2C56 1709 Reading-London Waterloo
2C59 1850 London Waterloo-Reading
5C60 2020 Reading-Farnham Depot

Diagram 2
5C87 0534 Farnham Depot-Reading
2C88 0654 Reading-London Waterloo
5Y17 0942 London Waterloo-Clapham Yard
5C55 1726 Clapham Yard-London Waterloo
2C55 1750 London Waterloo-Reading
5C56 1920 Reading-Farnham Depot


450 on Guildford-Ascot

Diagram 1 (Always Been a 450)
2N51 1838 Aldershot-Guildford
2N64 1900 Guildford-Ascot
2N61 2023 Ascot-Guildford
2N74 2130 Guildford-Aldershot
5N67 2155 Aldershot-Aldershot via Guildford
2N67 2238 Aldershot-Guildford
2N80 2300 Guildford-Ascot
5C74 0017 Ascot-Farnham Depot

Diagram 2
5N06 0528 Farnham Depot-Ascot
2N05 0623 Ascot-Guildford
2N18 0730 Guildford-Ascot
2N15 0853 Ascot-Guildford
2N28 1000 Guildford-Ascot
2N25 1123 Ascot-Guildford
2N38 1230 Guildford-Ascot
2N35 1353 Ascot-Guildford
2N48 1500 Guildford-Ascot
2N45 1623 Ascot-Guildford
2N58 1730 Guildford-Ascot
5N59 1858 Ascot-Aldershot
2N55 1938 Aldershot-Guildford
2N68 2000 Guildford-Ascot
2N65 2123 Ascot-Guildford
2N78 2230 Guildford-Aldershot
5N79 2256 Aldershot-Farnham Depot