Class 458/5

[61653 HTAFC]

Would they not have run at 100 in the (very) early days when they were used on Farnham/Alton services?

 

[MCR247]

Would they not have run at 100 in the (very) early days when they were used on Farnham/Alton services?

From the previous page:

458s were designed and built with a maximum speed of 100mph, but SWT 'restricted' to 90mph (I think when they were diagrammed/relegated onto the Windsor lines) the only 'restriction' being the writing in the cabs and reducing the maximum power output to 45%ish.

which seems to suggest that yes they would've

 

[Muzer]

as I have said before windows 1.1 was the first version of windows (there was a 1.0 but it had so many bugs that I don't think it ever got sold).
This version would have probably been an option around the time of the IBM PS/2 (I have certainly used a PS/2 with win 1.1).
Windows 2.0 was a sort of step back as it did not allow overlapping windows (due to apple trying to patent the look and feel of 'their' OS (we'll forget that they got all their ideas from XEROX and thus ended up having no leg to stand on!).

I surprised at 1.1/2.1 though as they have no built in networking support (only 3.11 for workgroups/NT and onwards have it).

And also we know what GUI they are running but what variant of DOS re they running

You've got your history slightly muddled there. 1.01 was the first released one, rather than 1.1, and it was the one without overlapping windows. By 2.0 they had managed to sort out their dispute with Apple (at least, I believe Microsoft thought they had — I seem to recall they were actually later sued by Apple over this very thing. Whether or not it was successful I don't recall.)

 

[455driver]

100mph on SN metals? I don't think so. Nowhere is cleared for 100mph over there.

Oops , I meant the power, not the max speed, thanks for the correction.

 

[dgl]

You've got your history slightly muddled there. 1.01 was the first released one, rather than 1.1, and it was the one without overlapping windows. By 2.0 they had managed to sort out their dispute with Apple (at least, I believe Microsoft thought they had — I seem to recall they were actually later sued by Apple over this very thing. Whether or not it was successful I don't recall.)

They weren't successful, turns out you cannot sue for ideas 'borrowed' from another company.

 

[infobleep]

They weren't successful, turns out you cannot sue for ideas 'borrowed' from another company.

If that's the case why aren't many more great ideas from other companies reused? I can think of great design ideas that Microsoft could use to improve their office suite for example.

I find it fascinating that such old OSs are still in use.

So they ever write updates for the software or is it good enough such things are not required?

 

[Muzer]

Unfortunately software patents are really a thing in America. IANAL but I believe by many interpretations of the law they're not legal in the EU, but I think people still try.

As others said, some of these OSes are likely to be Windows CE rather than vanilla Windows, which is quite a bit newer. Still pretty old though, with those version numbers.

 

[Juniper Driver]

Worked 458028+458006 back from Reading and that was it.The rest was desiro stuff.Isn't Royal Ascot a bundle of laughs every year?

 

[hassaanhc]

Worked 458028+458006 back from Reading and that was it.The rest was desiro stuff.Isn't Royal Ascot a bundle of laughs every year?

There was 5733+5847 on the 2C46 1442 Reading to London Waterloo, which apart from once last week I'm not aware of happening in recent weeks. Having said that, there seems to be no short formations on Reading services, instead happening on suburbans!


South West Trains 5733+5847 on the 2C46 1442 Reading to London Waterloo by Hassaan Chaudhry, on Flickr

Today (Saturday) I'll hopefully be going on the whole Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside all stations via Hounslow service, assuming it is a 455 like last year though :P

Back to 458/5 topic, there seems to be 1 diagram short formed per day recently.

Meanwhile, the Modern Railways Twitter feed posted this nugget:

458/0 MTIN 200,000+. 458/5 MTIN 4,000. Moral: don't mess with doors.

https://twitter.com/Modern_Railways/status/611925964952633345

Not sure how the doors link into all of it but if the numbers are true then it does point to a repeat of their original entry to service

 

[Juniper Driver]

Yeah saw that 455 it was on the 0812 Reading to Waterloo.I had two red door faults (on desiro) due to the Ascot mob although thankfully the faults did clear.I seem to remember having trouble on a rugby Sunday and having to get out and push the doors shut for interlock some years back.

 

[Muzer]

Not sure how the doors link into all of it but if the numbers are true then it does point to a repeat of their original entry to service

They introduced ASDO, to automatically choose the number of doors to open based on the station and the driver's stopping position. This has had a few teething problems, to say the least.

 

[Juniper Driver]

There was 5733+5847 on the 2C46 1442 Reading to London Waterloo, which apart from once last week I'm not aware of happening in recent weeks. Having said that, there seems to be no short formations on Reading services, instead happening on suburbans!

Not really the week to be doing short formations down the Reading road.One passenger complained to me that he had missed 5 trains at Virginia Water because they were so packed.Wondered why they dont just do shuttles to Ascot (instead of letting them run down to Reading) on the specials but obviously they have enough whizz kids working out the pathing and how it all runs so they don't need me.

 

[RobShipway]

Not really the week to be doing short formations down the Reading road.One passenger complained to me that he had missed 5 trains at Virginia Water because they were so packed.Wondered why they dont just do shuttles to Ascot (instead of letting them run down to Reading) on the specials but obviously they have enough whizz kids working out the pathing and how it all runs so they don't need me.

There is a lot of people that go to Royal Ascot from Reading, as quite a few of them can be seen in the pub next to the station before then getting on a train.

 

[Juniper Driver]

There is a lot of people that go to Royal Ascot from Reading, as quite a few of them can be seen in the pub next to the station before then getting on a train.

Yeah,I knew that.Empties or fast to Reading? Sure the railway has done some sort of variation in the last 150 years.

Actually saw them at Reading yesterday about 1330 but there weren't so many.I must have just hit it at a crunch time.

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I saw what appeared to be a Juniper carriage, either being lifted on, or taken of, a low loader lorry at Wimbledon yards last night around 2100 hours.

 

[theblackwatch]

Can anyone confirm the ID of the fifth car in 458527 please? I seem to have missed it!

 

[Boothby97]

I saw what appeared to be a Juniper carriage, either being lifted on, or taken of, a low loader lorry at Wimbledon yards last night around 2100 hours.

Possibly 74008 (out of 458008), which was shunted through Doncaster West Yard yesterday. Was shunted out of the area where the road deliveries arrive https://www.flickr.com/photos/sboothby/18488365713/

 

[Juniper Driver]

So,have they stopped taking them by rail then?

 

[WarrenTManager]

can anyone confirm the id of the fifth car in 458527 please? I seem to have missed it!

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So,have they stopped taking them by rail then?

Heard that the tight lock translators are poorly

 

[theblackwatch]

Many thanks!

 

[Bigfoot]

Another being delivered this morning just passed it at Surbiton. Didn't catch the number though.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Another being delivered this morning just passed it at Surbiton. Didn't catch the number though.

Should be 8518.

 

[randompixel]

The one I travelled on this morning had First Class stickers on the windows at the very end of the train. I'm assuming this is a left-over mistake based on all the others delivered so far.

 

[Juniper Driver]

The one I travelled on this morning had First Class stickers on the windows at the very end of the train. I'm assuming this is a left-over mistake based on all the others delivered so far.

I would think so.Also some still have sockets under the seats left over from their first class days.

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458508 Doncaster 24/06/15
458509 Doncaster 03/05/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458518 Wimbledon testing 26/06/15
458019 Doncaster 26/05/15
458520 In service
458523 Doncaster 12/05/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 Doncaster 06/04/15
458527 Wimbledon testing 28/05/15
458529 Doncaster 08/06/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Will the conversions of the remaining ones be finished before they turn their attention to repairing the fire damage on 458501?

 

[RobShipway]

There seemed to be a 485/5 in the sidings North of Clapham Junction, a 485/5 in the shed and two more in the sidings earlier this evening. Are they not used so much at weekends?

 

[hassaanhc]

There seemed to be a 485/5 in the sidings North of Clapham Junction, a 485/5 in the shed and two more in the sidings earlier this evening. Are they not used so much at weekends?

There was a pair of units on Saturdays on the Hounslow route, not sure if it still runs after the May timetable change. There also appears to be a pair of units on Windsor services, I only know about it because Journeycheck showed a diagram of services as 5 cars instead of 10 today. Unless it was a special service today?

 

[Juniper Driver]

531+520 in Woking up bay all day the lazy burgers.

 

[hassaanhc]

531+520 in Woking up bay all day the lazy burgers.

Not their fault there were engineering works at Chertsey

458510 and another unit were on the 1925 Waterloo to Windsor on Sunday 28th.