Class 458/5

[TEW]

Don't worry. 458s will return to the Reading line in a couple of years time once the 707s are delivered.

 

[swt_passenger]

It also isn't a simple carriage adding exercise - have you seen the new front end?

I certainly have, and because I've been following the whole thread I also know that they will be back on the Reading line after a couple of years...

I didn't mention the new cabs intentionally, because they are irrelevant to the typical passenger, and don't justify a railtour either...

 

[Feathers44]

Surely the only justification for a railtour is a sufficient number of people willing and able to pay for it?

 

[Juniper Driver]

Details are up so you can go and see what sections you'd be able to cover

I'll take it down to Bournemouth via Chertsey and Guildford down to Havant,do a right to Southampton and then to Weymouth.You're welcome.

 

[cjmillsnun]

I certainly have, and because I've been following the whole thread I also know that they will be back on the Reading line after a couple of years...

I didn't mention the new cabs intentionally, because they are irrelevant to the typical passenger, and don't justify a railtour either...

But the new cabs are not irrelevant at all. The new corridor connection will finally allow passengers walk through from one unit to another. Useful if you find the unit you are on is full, but the other one has a few seats left.

 

[Goldfish62]

But the new cabs are not irrelevant at all. The new corridor connection will finally allow passengers walk through from one unit to another. Useful if you find the unit you are on is full, but the other one has a few seats left.

And also to find the one working toilet on the train...

Except most guards seem to lock the corridor connection and open up the cab to stretch their legs out.
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Don't quite understand the concept of a railtour to celebrate trains being lengthened by one carriage, and repainted.

Perhaps LO are yet to organise one for their 378s...

I think it's more to do with the unusual routes and doing up to 90mph for the last time.

 

[RobShipway]

I think I may have said this before in this thread, but when I travel into London I use the Reading - Waterloo line as I live not far from one of the stations on the route.

I will not miss riding on the class 458's and I hope as part of the rebuild something has been done about the suspension systems on these trains as I find that they give a bumpy ride, especially when they are going over junction points which is not felt in the same way in the Class 450's, which for me seem to have a lot better suspension.

 

[456]

When the class 707's take over the lines currently being taken by 458/5's. From what I hear the class458/5's will take over the reading line. if this is true will they increase the speed on class 458/5's from 75mph to 100mph

 

[455driver]

When the class 707's take over the lines currently being taken by 458/5's. From what I hear the class458/5's will take over the reading line. if this is true will they increase the speed on class 458/5's from 75mph to 100mph

Why?
The maximum speed on that line is 70!

 

[Goldfish62]

Why?
The maximum speed on that line is 70!

Quite.
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I think I may have said this before in this thread, but when I travel into London I use the Reading - Waterloo line as I live not far from one of the stations on the route.

I will not miss riding on the class 458's and I hope as part of the rebuild something has been done about the suspension systems on these trains as I find that they give a bumpy ride, especially when they are going over junction points which is not felt in the same way in the Class 450's, which for me seem to have a lot better suspension.

I agree. I've commuted on them since they were introduced and although they have marginally more comfortable seats I find the general ambience of the 450s far superior.

The rebuild doesn't address the poor ride quality.

 

[infobleep]

And also to find the one working toilet on the train...

Except most guards seem to lock the corridor connection and open up the cab to stretch their legs out.
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I think it's more to do with the unusual routes and doing up to 90mph for the last time.

When did the trains last do 90mph?

As for toilets. Be grateful you have one. It's not as if the Reading line journeys are particularly long, compared to other routes that have no toilet.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

When did the trains last do 90mph?

As for toilets. Be grateful you have one. It's not as if the Reading line journeys are particularly long, compared to other routes that have no toilet.

When they were on the Guildford - Ascot services. One a day depending on fleets requirements would go up in the pathway of 5Y62 from Aldershot to Wimbledon Park & then once checked over and serviced, run ECS back to Guildford and you'd quite easily clock up 90 on that one. But that's the only one, unless something went wrong during the day then they occasionally substituted for a 450, but that was very rare.

 

[Juniper Driver]

When they were on the Guildford - Ascot services. One a day depending on fleets requirements would go up in the pathway of 5Y62 from Aldershot to Wimbledon Park & then once checked over and serviced, run ECS back to Guildford and you'd quite easily clock up 90 on that one. But that's the only one, unless something went wrong during the day then they occasionally substituted for a 450, but that was very rare.

So did I,Empties from Staines to Wim Park via Chertsey...After Weybridge and crossing to the main line.

 

[Goldfish62]

When did the trains last do 90mph?

As for toilets. Be grateful you have one. It's not as if the Reading line journeys are particularly long, compared to other routes that have no toilet.

I'm assuming you're on some sort a wind-up because I find that statement extraordinary. Can you advise what sort of journey length you were thinking of?

 

[TEW]

When did the trains last do 90mph?

As for toilets. Be grateful you have one. It's not as if the Reading line journeys are particularly long, compared to other routes that have no toilet.

Waterloo-Reading services have been diverted via Weybridge on a couple of weekends fairly recently. Units probably would have got up to 90mph then.

 

[southern442]

When did the trains last do 90mph?

As for toilets. Be grateful you have one. It's not as if the Reading line journeys are particularly long, compared to other routes that have no toilet.

I disagree. A typical journey along this line from, say, Ascot to London, will take you about an hour. I'm pretty sure that justifies a toilet? The only other journeys this long I can think of that have none are the loop lines, but no non-enthusiast would go all the way around them.

 

[Juniper Driver]

458/0 farewell tour has appeared on UK Railtours, although currently a holding page with no information:
http://www.ukrailtours.com/tourshow...trains&tourfile=150523_THE_JUNIPER_FACTOR.txt

Im sure this has changed from when I first read it.

On a side note.503 and 504 are in Clap Yard shed.Crew Training.

 

[Goldfish62]

Stations between Virginia Water and Early have received 5 car stop markers. Bracknell is the only one which also has 10 car markers, which seems oddly inconsistent.
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I disagree. A typical journey along this line from, say, Ascot to London, will take you about an hour. I'm pretty sure that justifies a toilet? The only other journeys this long I can think of that have none are the loop lines, but no non-enthusiast would go all the way around them.

I agree, and it's not like there aren't many passengers who travel from Bracknell or Ascot to Waterloo.

 

[hotelmode]

I agree, and it's not like there aren't many passengers who travel from Bracknell or Ascot to Waterloo.

8 x 455 on a Reading train today which was a bit of a surprise. Had to get off at Richmond for a child loo break!

 

[TEW]

There's been an 8-car 455 out on the Reading line most days recently.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I was on the one with the mustache country end.458 that is.

 

[Bigfoot]

Stations between Virginia Water and Early have received 5 car stop markers. Bracknell is the only one which also has 10 car markers, which seems oddly inconsistent.
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I agree, and it's not like there aren't many passengers who travel from Bracknell or Ascot to Waterloo.

I believe some stations have received s car marks too.

 

[Juniper Driver]

I believe some stations have received s car marks too.

Didn't notice yesterday but I suppose this is the good thing about 458/0's whereas they are generally fixed formation 8 cars.So just stop on the 8 board or end of platform.(Or S board)

(Although I don't doubt your comment) Misread that thought it said 5 car marks.

 

[Kite159]

Spotted 501 & 503/504 this morning doing training runs to Queenstown road?

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

I traveled from Twickenham to Camberly yesterday, (Saturday), traveled on a 8 car Juniper where the guard told me I could not walk through on the out bound train when I tried to move from the coach I was in as they was an argument going on in there, and on the way back, the guard made an announcement telling everyone that it was not possible to walk through again. I don't know why this was. In both cases the corridor connection was in place.

It was a blue desiro on the connecting train from Ascot in one direction to Camberly and 2 x 2 car southern units coming back, still in the green livery.

I did notice some red suburban 2 x 4 cars units being used to Reading that day too.

 

[swt_passenger]

I traveled from Twickenham to Camberly yesterday, (Saturday), traveled on a 8 car Juniper where the guard told me I could not walk through on the out bound train when I tried to move from the coach I was in as they was an argument going on in there, and on the way back, the guard made an announcement telling everyone that it was not possible to walk through again. I don't know why this was. In both cases the corridor connection was in place.

The gangway on unconverted 458s is not cleared for passenger use, it's staff use only. For a long time the gangways were not even connected when they ran as 8 cars, and I believe connection/disconnection is a depot procedure.

A secondary aim of the 458/5 conversion process was to fix this issue, allowing both passenger use and splitting and joining in service.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

The combining & dividing of 458/0s is a depot job & is quite convoluted in that it can take as long as 15'-20' to do. As swt_passenger has pointed out the connection is only available for traincrew, not passengers.

 

[infobleep]

I'm assuming you're on some sort a wind-up because I find that statement extraordinary. Can you advise what sort of journey length you were thinking of?

I was comparing it to Guildford to Waterloo via Effingham Junction. To be fair Reading to Waterloo is 1 hour 22 minutes, where as Guildford to Waterloo via Cobham is only an hour and via Leatherhead it is 1 hour 12 minutes.

Other people say, most people on the two routes I mentioned don't travel end to end. Is that not the case on the Reading line?

I'm sure parts of the Reading line are just as rural as the Cobham and Leatherhead lines?
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I disagree. A typical journey along this line from, say, Ascot to London, will take you about an hour. I'm pretty sure that justifies a toilet? The only other journeys this long I can think of that have none are the loop lines, but no non-enthusiast would go all the way around them.

The journey from Guildford to Waterloo via Cobham is an hour. If you only include trains where no faster direct service exists, it's at least 50 minutes to Clapham Junction in the morning peak. Evening peak back from Clapham Junction they allow 56 minutes. No loos on these trains. What's the difference between that and Ascot? I guess passengers could change trains a couple of times in the morning to be on trains with loos. Perhaps that wouldn't be possible on the Reading line at all if Reading services had no loos.

Guildford to Ascot is an hour with no loo but the train waits at Aldershot so one could hope over to platform 1 to use the facilities without missing their train, unless they have a condition where they spend a while on a loo.

I personally think all trains should have loos, especially those that travelling through rural green belt. That would include the Reading line; Cobham line; Epsom line and Aldershot lines. However that isn't going to happen.

 

[Goldfish62]

I was comparing it to Guildford to Waterloo via Effingham Junction. To be fair Reading to Waterloo is 1 hour 22 minutes, where as Guildford to Waterloo via Cobham is only an hour and via Leatherhead it is 1 hour 12 minutes.

Other people say, most people on the two routes I mentioned don't travel end to end. Is that not the case on the Reading line?

I'm sure parts of the Reading line are just as rural as the Cobham and Leatherhead lines?
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With respect I assume you don't know the line well as rural is not a description I'd use. Sunningale/Ascot/Bracknell are broadly one conurbation and Wokingham is virtually a suburb of Reading these days.

There's a huge amount of traffic between Waterloo and Ascot/Bracknell/Wokingham, all an hour+ journeys.

It's like saying Oxford - Paddington doesn't warrant toilets.
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The combining & dividing of 458/0s is a depot job & is quite convoluted in that it can take as long as 15'-20' to do. As swt_passenger has pointed out the connection is only available for traincrew, not passengers.

I did see a guard recently let someone walk through as they were desperate for the toilet.

I have walked through - albeit in special circumstances - when our train hit a tree and was incapacitated. It took about six staff and 30 minutes to deploy the gangway from the rescue train once they realised that their initial proposal to get passengers to jump across the gap between trains (I kid you not) was not viable.
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When will the training on the 458/5s be complete? It seems to be taking forever.

 

[infobleep]

With respect I assume you don't know the line well as rural is not a description I'd use. Sunningale/Ascot/Bracknell are broadly one conurbation and Wokingham is virtually a suburb of Reading these days.

There's a huge amount of traffic between Waterloo and Ascot/Bracknell/Wokingham, all an hour+ journeys.

It's like saying Oxford - Paddington doesn't warrant toilets.
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I did see a guard recently let someone walk through as they were desperate for the toilet.

I have walked through - albeit in special circumstances - when our train hit a tree and was incapacitated. It took about six staff and 30 minutes to deploy the gangway from the rescue train once they realised that their initial proposal to get passengers to jump across the gap between trains (I kid you not) was not viable.
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When will the training on the 458/5s be complete? It seems to be taking forever.

So are you saying is that only rural lines warrant trains without loos? I mean the trains on the Cobham line are not exactly empty in the morning.