Class 458/5

[Goldfish62]

I think that they where using the 4 -5 car stop signs before that as they where through Christmas and New Year juts using 4 car class 450's on the Reading route as reported earlier in this thread.

That was only because of on the day stock shortages, not planned 4 car operation.

 

[87electric]

8518 is in service now. Is it a hybrid?

 

[James Wake]

I caught 458506 yesterday (first time since it came back) of course one of the railtour units.

At every stop, it would come on saying: "This train is experiencing technical difficulties which are being attended to. Please await announcements from the guard". Then "This is Richmond...etc".

 

[cjmillsnun]

8518 is in service now. Is it a hybrid?

Yes. Any 85xx that was originally 80xx is a hybrid so that's 8501 - 8530. 8531 - 8536 are entirely from ex 460 stock.

 

[158722]

Yes. Any 85xx that was originally 80xx is a hybrid so that's 8501 - 8530. 8531 - 8536 are entirely from ex 460 stock.

I think by 'hybrid', the OP means does the set have a vehicle from 458501, the others from 458518, due to collision damage incurred on one of the driving cars of the latter set. Can't recall which vehicles were suggested for the temporary formation.

 

[87electric]

Sorry, i should have been clearer,
I did indeed mean is 67701 from 501 inserted into 518 to make a hybrid formation.

 

[racklam]

I caught 458506 yesterday (first time since it came back) of course one of the railtour units.

At every stop, it would come on saying: "This train is experiencing technical difficulties which are being attended to. Please await announcements from the guard". Then "This is Richmond...etc".

I've experienced this a lot on 458/5s over the last couple of weeks. The other day the above announcement was followed by one from the guard saying 'Please ignore that, there is no problem with the train - there is a problem with the train's computer!'

There have been similar announcements of 450s (although less frequently) when waiting just outside Waterloo, saying 'There is a problem with the doors'.

 

[SWT_USER]

18:07 eventually left Waterloo about 20 minutes late last night following a door fault... And then at least 2 units short this morning too with 5 coach trains running on peak services from Windor and Weybridge.

 

[James Wake]

3 units short, 2 off Windsors and one off Weybridge/Hounslow, both 0738 and 0808 CLJ to Windsor were 5 coaches. A 458/5 was visible in Clapham Yard. Was too busy to board the 0808 (458533) but as I was going to Twickenham at least I could board and get a seat on the next pair of 450s on the 0816 Reading service.

 

[Siemens Staines]

And then at least 2 units short this morning too with 5 coach trains running on peak services from Windor and Weybridge.

Three units short according to SWT website;
08:40 London Waterloo to London Waterloo due 10:02 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
08:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:51 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
09:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 10:19 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.

The 08:53 Windsor was one of the trains temporarily booked 2*450 until sufficient 458/5 were available. I assume the recent arrivals and the fact that it is now booked 10 coaches mean that these temporary alterations no longer apply (although perhaps they should do, judging by todays short forming...)

 

[James Wake]

The 1623 Twickenham to Waterloo (a pair of 450s), failed at Putney yesterday before we were all asked to cross to a stopper then the 450s overtook us and seemed to work to Waterloo normally according to RTT. I know the 0828 Waterloo to Windsor is booked for 450s at the moment.

 

[WarrenTManager]

Sorry, i should have been clearer,
I did indeed mean is 67701 from 501 inserted into 518 to make a hybrid formation.

Yes it is.

 

[swt_passenger]

The delivery path was used last night, would that have been 458528?

(It seems to have been at Doncaster the longest in the most recent update to the list.)

 

[Siemens Staines]

Looks like four 458/5 down this evening, if this information on the SWT website is correct

16:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:19 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
16:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:49 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
16:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 18:10 Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 10.

 

[hassaanhc]

Looks like four 458/5 down this evening, if this information on the SWT website is correct

16:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:19 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
16:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:49 Will be formed of 5 coaches instead of 10.
16:52 London Waterloo to Weybridge due 18:10 Will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 10.

I thought the 1652 Waterloo to Weybridge was booked 5 coaches?

 

[Siemens Staines]

I thought the 1652 Waterloo to Weybridge was booked 5 coaches?

So did I but I assume SWT know their train service better than I do

 

[Juniper Driver]

I thought the 1652 Waterloo to Weybridge was booked 5 coaches?

I suspect they have been switching some of them about.

Was on 514 for the first time today with 502.

 

[WarrenTManager]

The delivery path was used last night, would that have been 458528?

(It seems to have been at Doncaster the longest in the most recent update to the list.)

8528 with 74408 as the augmented vehicle. Unusual as there was one vehicle ex 460006 still to be used. I expected the 06 vehicle and the last three all to be ex 08......

 

[phil beard]

SWT don't seem to have that much faith in the reliability of the 458/5 EMUs, judging by their non-use on diverted Windsor services today (Sat 16/01/16). During a four hour lineside period between Norbiton and Strawberry Hill, only 450 and 455 units were used.

 

[HeelBurton]

They were over running the Barnes-Weybridge service. I saw loads of them while doing countless services between Barnes and Kingston. At points there was even 2 458/5 at Barnes on different platforms.

 

[hassaanhc]

SWT don't seem to have that much faith in the reliability of the 458/5 EMUs, judging by their non-use on diverted Windsor services today (Sat 16/01/16). During a four hour lineside period between Norbiton and Strawberry Hill, only 450 and 455 units were used.

It prevents confusion over which coaches to be in for the short platforms on Down services to Windsor, as the services reverse at Twickenham. If boarding between Waterloo and Twickenham you'd need to be in the rear 7 or 8 coaches (instead of the usual front 7 or 8) for the stations with short platforms. As a 455+455 formation fits in every single platform on the route, you would remove a major source of confusion. It used to be worse before the 10 car platform extensions as even 450+450 didn't fit at New Malden, Norbiton and Hampton Wick in at least one direction (I got them on a diverted service in Nov or Dec 2013).

And do stations from Earlsfield to Teddington inclusive have the SDO beacons that tell the 458 how many coaches have stopped in the platform? If they are not fitted then only the front 4 coaches get released.

 

[swt_passenger]

And do stations from Earlsfield to Teddington inclusive have the SDO beacons that tell the 458 how many coaches have stopped in the platform? If they are not fitted then only the front 4 coaches get released.

The original plan was to fit all SWT stations except those on the non-electrified routes.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

As far as I know all stations which are or can be served by either 458/5, 444 or 450 units have the new and improved balises fitted after the original one's started to play up.

ASDO has bedded in quite well, with few problems.

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458506 In service 04/01/16
458507 Doncaster 17/11/15
458508 In service 02/11/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 In service 14/12/15
458513 In service 14/12/15
458514 In service 04/01/16
458515 In service 14/12/15
458516 Doncaster 09/12/15
458517 Wimbledon testing 21/12/15
458518 Returned to service 12/01/16
458519 In service 14/09/15
458520 In service
458521 Doncaster 30/11/15
458522 In service 02/11/15
458523 In service 10/12/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458528 Wimbledon testing 14/01/16
458529 In service 28/09/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

1 458/5s out of service and awaiting repair
2 458/5 in testing
3 458/5s in conversion
30 458/5s in service

 

[southern442]

30 458/5s in service

So now the original 458/0 fleet has been officially equally matched by 458/5's! Ladies and gentlemen we have finally got somewhere with this thing!

 

[43096]

ASDO has bedded in quite well, with few problems.

If that's the case, why, then, do I repeatedly here the new announcement "There is a fault with the door system. This is being attended to." on the Desiros?

It says something about confidence in the system when they have a new digital-Doris automated announcement especially for door faults!

 

[Bigfoot]

If that's the case, why, then, do I repeatedly here the new announcement "There is a fault with the door system. This is being attended to." on the Desiros?

It says something about confidence in the system when they have a new digital-Doris automated announcement especially for door faults!

This is because the guard leaves their door key on and when the train comes to a stop it checks to see if a beacon has been read. If the train stops outside of a station (think danger signal) and the guards door key is on the TMS presumes no beacon was read and drops into default front 4 or 3 coaches depending on stock. It's failing safe which is exactly what it's meant to do, just it's abit over cautious. This will be fixed with software mods soon apparently.

 

[Juniper Driver]

This is because the guard leaves their door key on and when the train comes to a stop it checks to see if a beacon has been read. If the train stops outside of a station (think danger signal) and the guards door key is on the TMS presumes no beacon was read and drops into default front 4 or 3 coaches depending on stock. It's failing safe which is exactly what it's meant to do, just it's abit over cautious. This will be fixed with software mods soon apparently.

Thanks for this,just found it out over the last two days as I've had this a lot recently and been discussing it with other drivers....Although as you say it happens at a red signal which has happened in every instance I think the colour of the signal is irrelevant,no?

 

[Bigfoot]

Thanks for this,just found it out over the last two days as I've had this a lot recently and been discussing it with other drivers....Although as you say it happens at a red signal which has happened in every instance I think the colour of the signal is irrelevant,no?

It was in the notice case for weeks, someone doesn't read them!

Anyway, why would a driver stop not in a station at a signal other than one at danger? Think it through...

 

[Juniper Driver]

It was in the notice case for weeks, someone doesn't read them!

Anyway, why would a driver stop not in a station at a signal other than one at danger? Think it through...

I had heard about it and the 7454 fault but haven't really had so many problems till this weekend oh and perhaps another day where it happened 5 times on one trip...I have stopped at green signals before for some reason like I've been instructed to stop there irrelevant of signal aspect.Didn't I have a defective radio a few years back so I was just thinking there may be a possibility of stopping at a signal other then at red for a different reason.Anyway I noticed you basically said that at the start of your last post which I read through.Must have missed the notice when I was looking at all the other 459 and 456 stuff.As I say though I knew about the 7454 fault.Oh yeah spurious brake applications with the probs I've had recently it's quite possible as I said other than a red.

Yes I do read my notices but thanks anyway.