Class 390 coupling.

[cleatus_1]

Forgive me if someone has already posted/asked this. But can there ever be a 18-car, 20-car, or even 22-car Class 390 coupled running? I've seen this on RTT but I assume it's just a mistake/temporary change?

 

[najaB]

Forgive me if someone has already posted/asked this. But can there ever be a 18-car, 20-car, or even 22-car Class 390 coupled running? I've seen this on RTT but I assume it's just a mistake/temporary change?

Not in service, no. I believe a 18 carriage might be possible for rescue purposes.

When you see it on RTT it will be an error in the data feed.

 

[Doomotron]

Forgive me if someone has already posted/asked this. But can there ever be a 18-car, 20-car, or even 22-car Class 390 coupled running? I've seen this on RTT but I assume it's just a mistake/temporary change?

A Class 390 has run in multiple with two Voyagers on a test. I have a feeling two 390s have run in multiple on test as well, but I might be confusing that with the YouTube video of the Voyager test.

Update: I've found the videos, and yes, two 390s have run in multiple on test.

2x Class 390:

Class 390 + 2x 221:

 

[Harpo]

Loco attachment for Pendolino drags was a grand performance and took almost 20 minutes.

While the loco’s auto coupler was an engineering marvel it still needed the man in marigolds to collect 2 large ETS cables and get on the ballast to plug them in one at a time

 

[Tilting007]

There was a programme of testing 2 x 9s couple before the 11 car 390 units were introduced.

 

[43096]

A Class 390 has run in multiple with two Voyagers on a test.

Do you mean coupled, rather than run in multiple? AFAIK they are different multiple working systems on the two fleets which means one cannot control the other, but they can couple mechanically for rescue purposes.

 

[Tilting007]

Do you mean coupled, rather than run in multiple? AFAIK they are different multiple working systems on the two fleets which means one cannot control the other, but they can couple mechanically for rescue purposes.

For rescue and where gradient allows rescue.

 

[Doomotron]

Do you mean coupled, rather than run in multiple? AFAIK they are different multiple working systems on the two fleets which means one cannot control the other, but they can couple mechanically for rescue purposes.

No, they can run in multiple.

 

[Tynwald]

pendos have no coupler electrical boxes, so they can not run in multi with anything. they can mechanicaly couple, but air pipes have to used, to give you pneumatic control of the brakes. 2 driver & probably a technician would required for this, which is how the nwc drags worked.

An ex Alstom person.

 

[jamieP]

pendos have no coupler electrical boxes, so they can not run in multi with anything. they can mechanicaly couple, but air pipes have to used, to give you pneumatic control of the brakes. 2 driver & probably a technician would required for this, which is how the nwc drags worked.

An ex Alstom person.

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[benji]

pendos have no coupler electrical boxes, so they can not run in multi with anything. they can mechanicaly couple, but air pipes have to used, to give you pneumatic control of the brakes. 2 driver & probably a technician would required for this, which is how the nwc drags worked.

An ex Alstom person.

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Thanks for this, I was about to chime in and say, the most certainly do have electrical boxes unless those boxes on the couplers are dummies, but then what would be the point of that? Also videos above have shown that within its class it can run multi!

 

[najaB]

I think people are talking at cross-purposes. The "mechanical coupling only" comment was in relation to 22x and 390 running in multiple.

 

[The Bear]

Loco attachment for Pendolino drags was a grand performance and took almost 20 minutes.

While the loco’s auto coupler was an engineering marvel it still needed the man in marigolds to collect 2 large ETS cables and get on the ballast to plug them in one at a time

I believe the standby Loco contact is now for dead haul only, and its now forbidden to establish an ETS connection between the Loco & Pendo.
No ETS supply = no passengers allowed to travel on board.
So now every time one becomes disabled its a train-to-train evacuation before it can be hauled away.

Progress.......

 

[The Chimaera]

Thanks for this, I was about to chime in and say, the most certainly do have electrical boxes unless those boxes on the couplers are dummies, but then what would be the point of that? Also videos above have shown that within its class it can run multi!

Pendo’s can’t and never have run in multiple. Instructions forbid coupling of electrical boxes. They can couple mechanically Pendo to Pendo for rescue purposes but to do so the list of other stuff to be done was pages long and never put into practice except for testing as far as I remember. The biggest problem was providing enough air to the failed unit.

 

[jamieP]

I believe the standby Loco contact is now for dead haul only, and its now forbidden to establish an ETS connection between the Loco & Pendo.
No ETS supply = no passengers allowed to travel on board.
So now every time one becomes disabled its a train-to-train evacuation before it can be hauled away.

Progress.......

Contact due to end soon anyway

 

[Carlisle]

While the loco’s auto coupler was an engineering marvel it still needed the man in marigolds to collect 2 large ETS cables and get on the ballast to plug them in one at a time

Indeed & given the 800 V through the ETH cables from loco to stock are there auto coupler systems that can now incorporate these ? Ive not seen any.

 

[Efini92]

Pendo’s can’t and never have run in multiple. Instructions forbid coupling of electrical boxes. They can couple mechanically Pendo to Pendo for rescue purposes but to do so the list of other stuff to be done was pages long and never put into practice except for testing as far as I remember. The biggest problem was providing enough air to the failed unit.

They did run in multiple when they were being tested.

pendos have no coupler electrical boxes, so they can not run in multi with anything. they can mechanicaly couple, but air pipes have to used, to give you pneumatic control of the brakes. 2 driver & probably a technician would required for this, which is how the nwc drags worked.

An ex Alstom person.

They do, it’s just not used.

 

[FrontSideBus]

Didn't they used to drag Pendo's in and out of Holyhead with a 57 for a while?

 

[hexagon789]

Didn't they used to drag Pendo's in and out of Holyhead with a 57 for a while?

They did - the very last regular working, Saturdays only, ended in 2012.

They also did Pendolino drags over the Settle-Carlisle in the mid-2000s during various engineering works over the northern WCML.