Class 387

[TRAX]

I have to say Bombardier Derby aren't the slowest at production.

 

[swt_passenger]

66 514 hauling 387 301.

Thanks. Presumably if they follow the usual routine it won't be seen on mileage runs until it has its partner delivered...

 

[Class455]

Why do c2c's 387's have Southern style doors and seating? I've seen a pic of 387 301 on delivery, and it has blue doors, but with the traditional Southern yellow stripe on its doors. Also, in Today's Railways, when they paid a visit to Derby, there was Southern seats next to the c2c 387!

 

[47802]

Why do c2c's 387's have Southern style doors and seating? I've seen a pic of 387 301 on delivery, and it has blue doors, but with the traditional Southern yellow stripe on its doors. Also, in Today's Railways, when they paid a visit to Derby, there was Southern seats next to the c2c 387!

Either a clue as to where they are going when the c2c contract finishes, or c2c were not particularly bothered about the interior colours and Porterbrook tuck it as the cheapest and simplist option rather than coming up with new colour scheme and fabrics for train's on a 3 year contract.

 

[XCTurbostar]

I believe the reason why the interiors are the same is because they were part of the same order as the 387/2s. This is also the reason they will be dual voltage even though they will not use the 3rd rail aspect.
Thanks,
Ross

 

[ScotGG]

Have you heard of engineering work, which often happens overnight from 10pm-ish or all day on Sundays?

If the GWML relief lines are closed for engineering work on a Sunday, how exactly do you propose GWR should stop trains at Hanwell or Acton Main Line, given the lack of a westbound platform on the fast lines* at either station? Or the alignment of the eastbound fast line at Hanwell, which isn't actually alongside the adjacent platform.

And if the fast lines are closed, GWR doesn't want stopping services getting in the way of expresses that are having to share the relief lines with Thames Valley locals.

Once all the current Crossrail and GWML modernisation work is completed, the amount of engineering work required will be reduced and I'm sure Crossrail will - subject to future engineering requirements - offer late-night and Sunday services at the West London stations.

Err except these services already run in the evenings and Sundays but just pass through a couple of stations they stop at at all other times.

Of course there's a need for engineering but that clearly doesn't see other lines having this service level otherwise we wouldn't have any other Sunday services in London. Clearly this is an exception.

And yes Crossrail may increase levels of closures but there's still trains running but not stopping much of the time.

 

[47802]

I believe the reason why the interiors are the same is because they were part of the same order as the 387/2s. This is also the reason they will be dual voltage even though they will not use the 3rd rail aspect.
Thanks,
Ross

Not really the 8 GWR units were the last of the add on order for 387/2, these are part of the speculative order placed by Porterbrook.

 

[AlexNL]

It could be that ordering the same seats and interior finishing as the Southern one was the cheapest option, as this would mean a follow-on order with Fainsa and the painters could use the same stencils.

As there was no particular operator when Porterbrook ordered these units, they probably didn't care too much to demand something different. A train with seats is a train with seats, after all.

 

[Bletchleyite]

I doubt GWR passengers will care. Anything new is better than a filthy, fume belching Turbo with failed air con and 3+2.


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[jimm]

Err except these services already run in the evenings and Sundays but just pass through a couple of stations they stop at at all other times.

Of course there's a need for engineering but that clearly doesn't see other lines having this service level otherwise we wouldn't have any other Sunday services in London. Clearly this is an exception.

And yes Crossrail may increase levels of closures but there's still trains running but not stopping much of the time.

When did I say trains weren't running?

Did you not get the bit about there not being fast line platforms - which means trains can't serve those stations if the relief lines are shut - end of story. Plenty of other stations - including those on the GWML that services continue to call at during the periods in question - have platforms available on all the running lines.

Due to the wide range of variables in terms of what jobs the engineering teams may be working on at different times of the week while the Crossrail programme is under way, plus the need to do work on the fast lines at times as well, it simply makes sense just to say there is no passenger service and leave it at that - unless you think they should advertise a service, but whether it actually runs or a bus turns up instead is a complete lottery from one day to the next, which is hardly going to make for happy passengers.

This is West London we're talking about, not isolated rural stations with no alternative public transport available in the vicinity. Anyone wanting to get from the West End to Action is hardly going to bother using Paddington anyway when they can just get a Tube train direct to North or West Acton stations.

 

[spark001uk]

I doubt GWR passengers will care. Anything new is better than a filthy, fume belching Turbo with failed air con and 3+2.


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Especially when the 1842 pad to Bourne end rolls into pad as a 2 car and half of us get turned away as just happened earlier!

 

[387star]

Which southern services is Gatwick express 387/2 used on?

 

[southern442]

Which southern services is Gatwick express 387/2 used on?

Are they used on any?

 

[387star]

Are they used on any?

Yes this morning the 0645 think it was from three bridges to btn and then forms a gx service back? Was a 442 rill recently. .

 

[swt_passenger]

Just noticed the Litchurch Lane to Bletchley delivery path was used last night, the 6th:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R01331/2016/10/06/advanced

They're cracking on with these...

 

[spark001uk]

Surprised these deliveries are class 7, seems a bit slow for a mu drag?

 

[Domh245]

Surprised these deliveries are class 7, seems a bit slow for a mu drag?

I think that the 387s are unbraked, so the train has to be limited to class 7 because of the amount (or lack) of brake force available.

 

[Class377/5]

387110 is the first 387 in service on the GN working the following diagram

5R00 03+55 Hornsey Depot to Kings Cross
2R00 04.14 Kings Cross to Letchworth A/D (staff train)
3R41 06+09 Letchworth A/D to Letchworth
1R41 06.13 letchworth to Kings Cross
2C04 07.05 Kings Cross to Cambridge
2C39 08.55 Cambridge to Kings Cross
5E34 10+28 Kings Cross to Hornsey

Berth

5C26 16+23 Hornsey Depot to Kings Cross
2C26 16.53 Kings Cross to Cambridge
2C59 18.55 Cambridge to Kings Cross
5E47 20+42 Kings Cross to Hornsey Depot

 

[jon0844]

And here it was:

https://youtu.be/M_cKzIgfyLc

And I stopped off at Potters Bar on the way for food and saw this pass through as I came up for the 1321.. (317120)

https://goo.gl/photos/a4vLrsvrfXaE3Yco6

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N13251/2016/10/10/advanced

 

[RobShipway]

Went past North Pole depot on the train earlier and saw 387131, 3817133, 187134 and 387135. I think that 387132 may have been hidden from view but attached to 387131.

I presume that 387135 was delivered recently and that 387136 is due soon?

 

[swt_passenger]

Went past North Pole depot on the train earlier and saw 387131, 3817133, 187134 and 387135. I think that 387132 may have been hidden from view but attached to 387131.

I presume that 387135 was delivered recently and that 387136 is due soon?

They have all (i.e. the first batch of 8) arrived now.

Some later units were delivered out of order, 387136 was delivered 11th September, 387137 was on Tuesday 11th Oct, and 387135 was delivered on Thursday 13th Oct.

 

[RobShipway]

They have all (i.e. the first batch of 8) arrived now.

Some later units were delivered out of order, 387136 was delivered 11th September, 387137 was on Tuesday 11th Oct, and 387135 was delivered on Thursday 13th Oct.

Okay, thanks I thought that was the case.

 

[leomartin125]

They have all (i.e. the first batch of 8) arrived now.

Some later units were delivered out of order, 387136 was delivered 11th September, 387137 was on Tuesday 11th Oct, and 387135 was delivered on Thursday 13th Oct.

Does that mean GWR now have enough 387's to start services to Maidenhead? Or only enough to start all day running to H&H?

 

[D365]

Does that mean GWR now have enough 387's to start services to Maidenhead?

When is electrification to Maidenhead due to go live?

 

[68011]

Does that mean GWR now have enough 387's to start services to Maidenhead? Or only enough to start all day running to H&H?

Info on GWR website about their plans for 387's.
https://www.gwr.com/about-us/building-on-our-heritage

 

[samuelmorris]

Bit sloppy that the PIS still refers to it as a 'Thameslink' service!

 

[leomartin125]

Info on GWR website about their plans for 387's.
https://www.gwr.com/about-us/building-on-our-heritage

I know what they 'plan' to do. I just wanted to know if they needed anymore 387's to start the Maidenhead services from May 2017? Wondering if there would be more units built between now and May to enable to start services, or whether they already have enough to start with now with the eight units?

May 2017 is when 387 services start, and Crossrail (Balfour Beatty) have confirmed they are 'on time' for the wiring of the lines from H&H to Maidenhead in preparation for next May.

 

[RobShipway]

I know what they 'plan' to do. I just wanted to know if they needed anymore 387's to start the Maidenhead services from May 2017? Wondering if there would be more units built between now and May to enable to start services, or whether they already have enough to start with now with the eight units?

May 2017 is when 387 services start, and Crossrail (Balfour Beatty) have confirmed they are 'on time' for the wiring of the lines from H&H to Maidenhead in preparation for next May.

I think that the point at which deliveries would be made was mentioned earlier in this thread, but my understanding is that the 387/3's for C2C would be completed by the end of this year with the deliveries of the GWR 387/1's starting again February/March next year.

 

[Bald Rick]

Just seen 2x387s with blue doors on the move through Clapham Jn heading south under their own power. Presumably the c2c lot.

 

[03_179]

Just seen 2x387s with blue doors on the move through Clapham Jn heading south under their own power. Presumably the c2c lot.

Did you happen to get the numbers ?