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Class 379 Miscellanea

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jopsuk

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The 1558 from Liverpool Street, stopping Broxbourne at 1622, should be a 379- though some days it is a 317
 
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The 379 interiors are nice, but I have no doubt that the mostly white plastic trim will look VERY tatty soon given the sheer numbers of cases (including hard cases) being put up against so much of it, from the vestibules to the aisles.

These trains are going to take a battering, so I wonder how the trim will hold up in just six months from now, let alone when they get their first refresh?
 

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Don't get excited. I'm only here for this.

So is the driver able to view the camera image for the pantograph?

In a word, yes.

Regarding the panto equipment specifically, I think the camera just records, so that in the event of there being a problem, the footage can be reviewed to establish the root cause. I don't think the driver has access to this view in real time, but others here probably know more about that than me.

We can select to view the feed from ANY camera, whether external or internal. The only restriction is that the CCTV screens go off in the "live" cab when the speed reaches 5mph. However, it can still be viewed live in any other cab. Not only that, but we can view any footage recorded by calling up the date and time.

as well as the pantograph one, they've got a downward facing one at the cab ends to record the track. I assume only the one at the front in the direction of travel is used, as this too has a fairly powerful white light?

All cameras record all the time. However the track debris camera at the rear of the train would obviously record little of value at night due to the lack of a light source, although I have not checked this. It probably is a low-light camera like the others mounted on the outside, but the ditch light is obviously useful to illuminate finer details, especially at speed.

17.40 St-Ex departure from Liverpool Street (379110 + 379114) painfully slow between Tottenham Hale and Broxbourne, with two unplanned stops. PA announcement - pre-recorded - apologising for the delay due to a slower service on front of ours.

What do you expect? It's the evening peak.

Even in the off-peak you have to time your train carefully to avoid catching slower services ahead, but with additional services and unavoidably longer dwell times in the peak it becomes impossible not to quickly run down a slower service. The 1740 is not unusual in this respect.


It's a bit of an admission of failure if you are so resigned to fast trains being delayed by slower ones that you put a pre-recorded announcement in the PA!

All PIS systems have this (and many other) pre-recorded announcements. The reason why you might have heard it on a Cl379 and not a Cl317 is down to the relatve ease of use and safe accessibility of the driver's PIS interface. It's not easy to access a Cl317 PIS on the move.

O L Leigh
 

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Don't get excited. I'm only here for this.



In a word, yes.



We can select to view the feed from ANY camera, whether external or internal. The only restriction is that the CCTV screens go off in the "live" cab when the speed reaches 5mph. However, it can still be viewed live in any other cab. Not only that, but we can view any footage recorded by calling up the date and time.



All cameras record all the time. However the track debris camera at the rear of the train would obviously record little of value at night due to the lack of a light source, although I have not checked this. It probably is a low-light camera like the others mounted on the outside, but the ditch light is obviously useful to illuminate finer details, especially at speed.



What do you expect? It's the evening peak.

Even in the off-peak you have to time your train carefully to avoid catching slower services ahead, but with additional services and unavoidably longer dwell times in the peak it becomes impossible not to quickly run down a slower service. The 1740 is not unusual in this respect.




All PIS systems have this (and many other) pre-recorded announcements. The reason why you might have heard it on a Cl379 and not a Cl317 is down to the relatve ease of use and safe accessibility of the driver's PIS interface. It's not easy to access a Cl317 PIS on the move.

O L Leigh



Just seen one coming into orient way depot (yes, I'm on nights :( ) forgot about the panto lights - couldn't figure out where these lights were coming from!
Proper blonde moment!
 
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I noticed something interesting (or possibly sad!) this morning, when on a 379. Half the vestibules have door open / close pushbuttons on both sides of the doorway and half only have them on the left.

Anybody know why that is?

On a more general matter, what is the point of the "Door Close" pushbutton, when the doors are closed by the driver anyway, and particularly on 379s, are closed automatically on a timer after x seconds of nobody using them?
 

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Door close buttons feature on all new stock, I guess its just why not?
 

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The buttons on the internal doors are in different places (and of a different type) which seems much like the Victoria Line trains where lights and emergency alarms are of different designs and in different places.

I guess Bombardier just use whatever bits they have in their parts bin at the time.
 

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On a more general matter, what is the point of the "Door Close" pushbutton, when the doors are closed by the driver anyway, and particularly on 379s, are closed automatically on a timer after x seconds of nobody using them?

The 185s have door close buttons and an auto timer to close them (or a guard ;)) yet I find it to be fairly useful function. For instance in terminus a stations whilst waiting to depart if I board and there is no one else behind me I will close the door simply to keep the heat in (if it's cold) or the heat out (if it's hot). Perhaps it's a bit of a luxury feature but I find it useful from time to time.
 

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On a more general matter, what is the point of the "Door Close" pushbutton, when the doors are closed by the driver anyway, and particularly on 379s, are closed automatically on a timer after x seconds of nobody using them?

It is a well known fact that no Bishops Stortford commuter even realises there is a door close button, particularly in the middle of winter :D ;)

(sorry, nothing personal, couldn't resist it ;) )
 

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Had a visit from 370 020 just over an hour ago at Southend Vic. Turned round and went off to Wickford for a trip down to Southminster, then prob back to Ilford. Don't know why we were deemed worthy tonight, but nice to see that we haven't been forgotten down on the coast!
 
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It is a well known fact that no Bishops Stortford commuter even realises there is a door close button, particularly in the middle of winter :D ;)

(sorry, nothing personal, couldn't resist it ;) )

That comment only applies to the "natives"!

I reckon the automatic door close timer was invented to mitigate B-S commuters!
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The buttons on the internal doors are in different places (and of a different type) which seems much like the Victoria Line trains where lights and emergency alarms are of different designs and in different places.

I guess Bombardier just use whatever bits they have in their parts bin at the time.

I didn't mean the through gangway doors, I mean the main sliding plug doors. In one vestibule, there are door pushbuttons each side of the doors and in the other there are only pushbuttons to the left of the doors. I did think this was totally illogical, except that since my original posting, I've noticed that on the right side where there are no pushbuttons, there is what looks like a guard's panel, with a door that is accessed by a gated square key.

Maybe the thinking was to discourage passengers to stand there in case a guard needed access to the panel, but it still seems slightly quirky, as most of the time, the guard's panel will not see any use at all.
 

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I meant to say 'are also in different places' to point out the many inconsistencies on the train!
 
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