Class 377 light refresh

[387star]

Anyone have an up to date list of 377s refurbished with plug sockets led lighting and information screens ?

Not seen any early 377/1s done yet

 

[MCR247]

I think the 377/4s are being done first

 

[YSTrains]

How many units are done so far in this 'project aurora'.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

401 402 407 410 413 415 418 419 421 430 440 448 450 456 458 are all done. Those are just ones I’ve seen though; I’m fairly certain they’re close to all the /4s being done.

 

[Class 466]

They’re being done at quite a rate now. Be interesting to see what subclass they move onto next.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Also recognisable by the additional low-level light at coupler level

 

[Class455]

401 402 407 410 413 415 418 419 421 430 440 448 450 456 458 are all done. Those are just ones I’ve seen though; I’m fairly certain they’re close to all the /4s being done.

Think 463 is currently being done.
In addition, I’ve seen 377434 and 377442 completed, think 377424 as well?
Certainly most of the /4’s have been done.

 

[387star]

I presume the screens will be fitted in the 387s too
Ironic the newer 700s are without plug sockets

Interestingly the 377/4s and /5s always had plug sockets in first class as well as a dividing door whereas all older 377s had none. I also like the privacy screen half way down the outer coaches of 377/4s and /5s which was never retrofitted in older batches. Still think the outer coaches are underrated especially when people say how awful southern rail are. Luxurious compared to many units. Still amazed how many people are unaware most 377s have two types of seating in different coaches.

 

[physics34]

I presume the screens will be fitted in the 387s too
Ironic the newer 700s are without plug sockets

Interestingly the 377/4s and /5s always had plug sockets in first class as well as a dividing door whereas all older 377s had none. I also like the privacy screen half way down the outer coaches of 377/4s and /5s which was never retrofitted in older batches. Still think the outer coaches are underrated especially when people say how awful southern rail are. Luxurious compared to many units. Still amazed how many people are unaware most 377s have two types of seating in different coaches.

They need to start thinking about having two pools of 377s... metro and coastal. The mix of 2x2 and 3x2 seating in the 2nd batch of units onwards seems pointless. The 2x2 seating in metro area is relative luxury compared to 455s, and epbs before them. .. and of course the argument about first class continues. Disclassify it permanently in metro units, improve it in coastal units

 

[JonathanH]

They need to start thinking about having two pools of 377s... metro and coastal. The mix of 2x2 and 3x2 seating in the 2nd batch of units onwards seems pointless.

They used to have two pools of 377s. Mixing them allowed extra units to be diagrammed. Trains to the coast need 3+2 seating as much as anywhere. It gives a choice of accommodation. Contrary to what you imply, people don't all sit in the 2+2 seating areas and shun the 3+2 areas.

 

[Class 466]

They used to have two pools of 377s. Mixing them allowed extra units to be diagrammed. Trains to the coast need 3+2 seating as much as anywhere. It gives a choice of accommodation. Contrary to what you imply, people don't all sit in the 2+2 seating areas and shun the 3+2 areas.

If anything a project to standardise them to all be the same would be good. always filled with dread when a 2+2 throughout unit turns up because you know immediately the chance of getting a seat drops

 

[physics34]

They used to have two pools of 377s. Mixing them allowed extra units to be diagrammed. Trains to the coast need 3+2 seating as much as anywhere. It gives a choice of accommodation. Contrary to what you imply, people don't all sit in the 2+2 seating areas and shun the 3+2 areas.

I think for longer distance u need the more comfortable seating. Of course a large percentage of people just get on the train and sit on a seat, not many even consider the config of the train... which is convenient for the train company. Metro needs more capacity now that there is less stock. Having one common pool has many plus points but also the odd negative. Pendolinos dont have 3 x2 seating and many people spend less then a 2 hr journey on them. An hour and 3/4 journey to portsmouth for example needs quality accommodation.

 

[py_megapixel]

If anything a project to standardise them to all be the same would be good. always filled with dread when a 2+2 throughout unit turns up because you know immediately the chance of getting a seat drops

There seems to be a perennial question of which is preferable: standing in the aisle, or sitting in a seat crammed in between two other passengers.

I'm honestly not sure what the outcome would be if passengers were surveyed on this.

 

[physics34]

If anything a project to standardise them to all be the same would be good. always filled with dread when a 2+2 throughout unit turns up because you know immediately the chance of getting a seat drops

Clearly that service needs more carriages or as u say more seating

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There seems to be a perennial question of which is preferable: standing in the aisle, or sitting in a seat crammed in between two other passengers.

I'm honestly not sure what the outcome would be if passengers were surveyed on this.

I thought the dft had already made that decisions for future rolling stock that 2x2 seats and more room was the way forwards.... and then the 720s arrived

 

[JonathanH]

Metro needs more capacity now that there is less stock.

A bit speculative to say that. The 2+2 units do have more standing room.

 

[physics34]

A bit speculative to say that. The 2+2 units do have more standing room.

377/6s and 7s are spot on config wise.
Remaining 2x2 units are almost too good for metro.

Many trains now are full and standing in the peak... ive observed.

 

[Chiltern006]

it’s just 420, 427-429, 437, 442, 443, 455-457, 449, 451, 459, 461, 463-472 and 475? left to do out of the /4s

 

[Class455]

it’s just 420, 427-429, 437, 442, 443, 455-457, 449, 451, 459, 461, 463-472 and 475? left to do out of the /4s

Think 377455 has been done, but 377473/474 have not been done

 

[Class 466]

it’s just 420, 427-429, 437, 442, 443, 455-457, 449, 451, 459, 461, 463-472 and 475? left to do out of the /4s

At least a couple of those in that list have been done.

 

[Chiltern006]

Think 377455 has been done, but 377473/474 have not been done

473 and 474 are done according to photos on Trainlogger

 

[ctrh136]

I have noticed that the more recently done ones don't seem to have had their seats refurbished, so they look quite worn out in that regard.

 

[Class455]

Looks like it’s the Great Northern Class 387/1’s that are being done next as 387101 is currently at Selhurst to undergo what is believed to be Project Aurora mods.

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At least a couple of those in that list have been done.

472 is now done, saw that at Kenley last night. Interestingly it still has the old darker green Southern logo

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

What’s that for 387s then, just new screens?

 

[387star]

Looks like it’s the Great Northern Class 387/1’s that are being done next as 387101 is currently at Selhurst to undergo what is believed to be Project Aurora mods.

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472 is now done, saw that at Kenley last night. Interestingly it still has the old darker green Southern logo

At least two 377s still have the older logo

 

[YSTrains]

So will every GTR electrostar go through this?

 

[Jturner98]

Looks like it’s the Great Northern Class 387/1’s that are being done next as 387101 is currently at Selhurst to undergo what is believed to be Project Aurora mods.

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472 is now done, saw that at Kenley last night. Interestingly it still has the old darker green Southern logo

What work will actually take place on the 387s? Will it just be the installation of the screens at the carriage ends?

 

[Fincra5]

What work will actually take place on the 387s? Will it just be the installation of the screens at the carriage ends?

There's also a lot of Hardware and Software modifications to the whole Electrostar Fleet to make them all completely compatible in passenger operation.

 

[Class455]

So will every GTR electrostar go through this?

That’s the plan, yes. The 377/5’s will also be done if they ever return.

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There's also a lot of Hardware and Software modifications to the whole Electrostar Fleet to make them all completely compatible in passenger operation.

So these modifications will enable the software on the 377’s to be upgraded to allow them to work with 387’s in passenger service?

 

[Fincra5]

That’s the plan, yes. The 377/5’s will also be done if they ever return.

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So these modifications will enable the software on the 377’s to be upgraded to allow them to work with 387’s in passenger service?

Basically yes. There's passenger environment Modifications as part of the Aurora Project but more importantly to make the Electrostar Fleet Compatible in service (Inc Passenger). Rather than the "tricks" used to work them in ECS Moves.

 

[Mzzzs]

I like that the trains are getting a much needed refresh but I got on a class 377 that’s had recently received a refresh and I was disappointed. Other than plugs and pointless screens at the end of each carriage which had the same image in them nothing else looked like it had been touched.
Much of the train was the same nothing really done to improve the customer experience.
They need a much better refresh than they got.