Class 365 scrap movements + preservation discussion

[3973EXL]

STP 10/03 0510 Belmont - Newport Docks
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00546/2022-03-10/detailed

5Q76 57312 dep RT 365520

 

[milankow02]

5Q76 57312 dep RT 365520

520 is one of the final unit to do the last service on GN (alongside with 522 and 502)

 

[warwickshire]

520 is one of the final unit to do the last service on GN (alongside with 522 and 502)

Confirmed 57312 with 365520 on time through gospel oak.

 

[warwickshire]

5Q76 57312 dep RT 365520

Confirmed 57312 with 365520 through gospel oak.

 

[73128]

Today's run to Newport is 57312 with 365520. Slightly early at Reading.

 

[D365]

520 is one of the final unit to do the last service on GN (alongside with 522 and 502)

Yep, as I mentioned on the previous page it was the leading unit on the final service into KGX.

 

[Fuzzytop]

506 and 536 tomorrow then?

Been said countless times, but it was a great shame the 365s didn't find extra work. It's strange to think that news broke only 12 months ago this week about the demise of the remaining GN fleet. There would be a certain irony if the speculative upcoming cascades leave GN short of units in the medium-term.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 11/03 5Q76 0531 Belmont - Newport Docks
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K00546/2022-03-11/detailed

VSTP 0E23 1800 Derby - Belmont dep 1806
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:20336/2022-03-10/detailed

 

[milankow02]

and now, the final hurrah for 506 and 536

 

[railfan100]

Strange world when a unit that did not feel worn out at all meets it's end. Especially when other life expired units are running on the network using electric power. The 319 and 321 come to mind. It would be a shame if a number are not saved for preservation and given a long-term future

 

[Cowley]

Strange world when a unit that did not feel worn out at all meets it's end. Especially when other life expired units are running on the network using electric power. The 319 and 321 come to mind. It would be a shame if a number are not saved for preservation and given a long-term future

This subject has been covered many times and there are quite a few threads in the preservation section including this one if you want to look at some of the reasons.

Preserved EMU Question

Having seen the 319/769 conversion it set me wandering if EMUs such as VEP, CIG, CEP, EPB, etc on heritage lines could be converted the same way, it would be great to see these trains once again running on their own power and it would make EMU preservation more viable in the future especially...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[D365]

Strange world when a unit that did not feel worn out at all meets it's end. Especially when other life expired units are running on the network using electric power. The 319 and 321 come to mind. It would be a shame if a number are not saved for preservation and given a long-term future

I think three carriages is very good going and certainly better than I was expecting (which was one driving motor at most).

 

[73128]

Whilst (11th) Friday's is cancelled owing to brakes problems.

 

[warwickshire]

Whilst (11th) Friday's is cancelled owing to brakes problems.

Maybe trying to send two together, two more moves to go now.
The final two one by one.

 

[3973EXL]

STP 15/03 1145 Bicester MoD - Newport Docks
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K04680/2022-03-15/detailed

 

[swt_passenger]

STP 15/03 1145 Bicester MoD - Newport Docks

That’s going to upset people who were somehow convinced 525 had a future. I was never convinced it was to be an ’NR test train’, always far more likely it was just a ‘first of class’ trials fit for 365s…

 

[milankow02]

I know right, 525 was the chance for us to keep it alive, but it was too late now.

Which means that 524 (DMOC A and TSO) and 540 (DMOC B) are the only one left in the UK (which I know they're in preservation at EKR)

 

[DBS92042]

Which means that 524 (DMOC A and TSO) and 540 (DMOC B) are the only one left in the UK (which I know they're in preservation at EKR)

506 & 536 live on as well (although probably very short term) as their moved to Newport on Friday was cancelled

 

[brad465]

Which means that 524 (DMOC A and TSO) and 540 (DMOC B) are the only one left in the UK (which I know they're in preservation at EKR)

Sorry to be pedantic, but unless the scrap remains being shipped abroad counts, "the only one left" would have sufficed.

 

[D365]

That’s going to upset people who were somehow convinced 525 had a future. I was never convinced it was to be an ’NR test train’, always far more likely it was just a ‘first of class’ trials fit for 365s…

I've pointed out that 525 was most likely retained until the commercial contracts with Alstom was resolved. After removing the 365s from the East Cost routes, there was never any need to continue with the ETCS programme.

 

[YSTrains]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

 

[milankow02]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

Because of space at EKR, so they put a 3 car instead of 4 car

 

[swt_passenger]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

Probably because as there’s no intention to run them it doesn’t matter. In my opinion they don’t really count as “preserved”, because they‘ll never really be a functional EMU again…

 

[aleggatta]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

By all accounts, I think it was supposed to be 524 only, but the scrap man was quick off the mark (they were taken by road from the scrap yard) and the rest of 524 started being processed before it could be removed.

 

[brad465]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

524 was deemed to be in the best condition, not sure about 540, although I think some rumours circulated about it being the last unit out of York.

 

[D365]

Probably because as there’s no intention to run them it doesn’t matter. In my opinion they don’t really count as “preserved”, because they‘ll never really be a functional EMU again…

At least they will end up more "preserved" than the three Class 332 carriages now located at Goole and not for public use.

 

[ST156]

May I ask, why did they specifically choose 2 carriages from 524 and 1 carriage from 540? Why these units?

There is an article in the Railway Magazine this month which talks through the story in some detail.

As others have said, the original plan was to preserve 2 cars from 524, which then became 3 cars. They couldn't all be from the same unit due to the limited space at Newport for getting them onto a low loader - sounds like it just wasn't logistically feasible.

So they planned to get the second Driving Car from 530, but then on the day due to a fault with 530, 540 was sent in its place to Newport - so finally 2 cars ex 524 & 1 car ex 540.

 

[milankow02]

There is an article in the Railway Magazine this month which talks through the story in some detail.

As others have said, the original plan was to preserve 2 cars from 524, which then became 3 cars. They couldn't all be from the same unit due to the limited space at Newport for getting them onto a low loader - sounds like it just wasn't logistically feasible.

So they planned to get the second Driving Car from 530, but then on the day due to a fault with 530, 540 was sent in its place to Newport - so finally 2 cars ex 524 & 1 car ex 540.

and now, 530 went to scrap the following month

 

[D365]

Oh; so East Kent Railway has received two driving cars?

 

[Fuzzytop]

Oh; so East Kent Railway has received two driving cars?

Yep.

They’ve received:
65917 (driving motor ex 365524)
72287 (trailer ex 365524)
65974 (driving motor ex 365540)

Just missing a pantograph trailer, but as I understand it (and mentioned previously on this thread, I think) they only had space to take three cars.