Class 332 final week and scrap moves

[JonathanH]

It probably makes sense to have a thread to mark what appears to be the final week of Class 332 operation on the railway (rather than speculation about any future use which is not appropriate here or getting mixed up in the thread about 387 operation)

Firstly, after the visit of 47749 last week, there is a Q-path in the open data feed for a locomotive to come from Eastleigh on Monday and then make a scrap move to Newport Sims Metals for Tuesday.

6V33 0450 Eastleigh East Yard to Old Oak Common Emu Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R03463/2020-12-07/detailed

6X33 0740 Old Oak Common Emu Depot to Newport Docks (Sims) Gbrf
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R03464/2020-12-08/detailed

Three 332s ran from Old Oak Common EMU Depot to Paddington for today's service. Tonight, it appears that two units go to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to stable overnight rather than Old Oak Common Depot with the other potentially stabling at Paddington (although there is a Q-path to and from Old Oak Common for this unit).

From Monday, there appear to be alternative paths for either 332s or 387s to run on at least one of the Heathrow diagrams (although I think it has been mentioned that 387s won't start on Monday now).

Monday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...7/0400-0520?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=HX
Tuesday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...8/0400-0520?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=HX
Wednesday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...9/0400-0520?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=HX
Thursday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...0/0400-0520?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=HX
Friday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/se...1/0400-0520?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=HX

Next weekend has been reported as being the end although the empty moves aren't yet in the schedules to imply whether 332s remain in service through to Sunday night. In any case, it looks like Monday 14 December is currently scheduled for full 387 operation.

 

[JN114]

Three 332s ran from Old Oak Common EMU Depot to Paddington for today's service. Tonight, it appears that two units go to Heathrow Airport Terminal 5 to stable overnight rather than Old Oak Common Depot with the other potentially stabling at Paddington (although there is a Q-path to and from Old Oak Common for this unit).

Nearly

Circuits A & B go and stable at T5 tonight. Circuit C goes back to Old Oak Common.

Units at T5 tonight will split in the morning, one goes empty to CTA for 2E24 0522 back to T5, the other stays at T5 for 1Y22 0512 up to London

Network Rail had originally intended to extend a planned OHLE isolation in the Hanwell area tomorrow (Sunday) morning until 0520 from its scheduled 0420 handback. The above plan was put together by yours truly to enable full service to be run from start of service, which if the wires were off the original 2 empties off the Oak would not get down the airport in time. It is probably the last night 332s will be stabled away from depot. That isolation extension was cancelled this morning, however we were too far gone with arranging outstables to undo it anymore, so the plan stands.

Fleet status is currently units 001, 002, 003, 005, 012 and 014 stood down from traffic permanently, with 014 already removed by road and scrapped.

Monday 14th is currently the working date for 387 introduction. It’s unclear even internally at this stage whether that will be a big-bang all-387 affair or only 1 or 2 circuits covered. Service frequency is restored to 4tph in late December.

The “what’s happening with the units / why are they being scrapped” has been done to death in other threads many times over - They’re going, it’s been decided. It’s a shame with rose-tint spectacles on but absolutely sound economically. I’ve only worked closely with them for the past year or so since we took on HEx operation, but please hear me when I state, they‘re done. They’ve had a very hard life and if you can get up close to them and underneath them, as we did on a depot tour in 2019 as part of our pre-takeover familiarisation, it sadly becomes very apparent that while they are well looked after cosmetically, underneath they are in desperate need of a lot of very expensive attention. Coupled with the ever-shifting goalposts of how long they were to remain in service being pushed back and back, they’re (in my humble opinion) beyond economic saving, and it would seem that everyone these were offered to would agree.

 

[JonathanH]

The “what’s happening with the units / why are they being scrapped” has been done to death in other threads many times over - They’re going, it’s been decided.

Yes, I agree, that is why I tried to discourage that discussion. The point of this is merely to get the final week / weeks run down recorded in a thread with the right title so that people can a) know about the last trips and b) know about scrap moves. Thanks for clarifying beyond what is apparent from information in open data feeds.

 

[yorkie]

I have just moved some posts into the thread linked to in the opening post, which is in the correct section for speculation.

Just a gentle reminder to all that if anyone wishes to post ideas, suggestions and other posts of a speculative nature, we absolutely do welcome and encourage these to be posted, but we just ask that they are posted in the Speculative Ideas section please. Thanks!

 

[JN114]

Sunday 6th December:-

332011 on Circuit ‘A’, started with 0512 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332007 on Circuit ‘B’ started at CTA with 0522 to Heathrow T5 then 0542 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332006 on Circuit ‘C’ started with 0525 Paddington to Heathrow T5

332009 2x return trips ECS Paddington to Heathrow T4 at 0840 and 1010

 

[MatthewRead]

So how long will it be before the entire fleet is withdrawn from service?

 

[JN114]

So how long will it be before the entire fleet is withdrawn from service?

If everything goes to plan, and it’s tight, this is their last week

 

[DB]

If everything goes to plan, and it’s tight, this is their last week

How quickly are they expected to be dispatched for scrap? Will any be retained for a while as a fallback?

 

[D365]

Will any be retained for a while as a fallback?

I doubt that will be possible; I'd imagine the depot will be shut down immediately to clear the way for HS2.

 

[ANDREW_D_WEBB]

I'd imagine the depot will be shut down immediately to clear the way for HS2.

What will this mean for 360201-5 currently stored at the depot?

 

[Kite159]

I might have a farewell spin on Saturday (buying an open return so I can sample a HEX-Spec 387 later in the month).

Paddington will look odd without the 332s floating around, for it has pretty much all changed since 2014/15 time

 

[Mag_seven]

I might have a farewell spin on Saturday (buying an open return so I can sample a HEX-Spec 387 later in the month).

Paddington will look odd without the 332s floating around, for it has pretty much all changed since 2014/15 time

I will definitely have a final spin on one this week - I wonder if they still show "Express TV" on the sets installed in the units?

 

[Horizon22]

What will this mean for 360201-5 currently stored at the depot?

Likely to be shifted ASAP, seeing as the depot is one of the last physical things in the way of the HS2 development.

To my understanding there is a general phasing until the 14th with some 387s starting to utilise West Ealing Sidings with the crossover to be the 14th as stated above.

 

[JN114]

What will this mean for 360201-5 currently stored at the depot?

I don't think their new owner has been announced publicly yet, but either they'll be shipped out directly from depot or be dragged elsewhere for storage awaiting delivery to their new owners. I think February is when the bulldozers move in to knock down the HEX depot, so there is a degree of flexibility in the plan if anything slips further with 387s. Again, there's a thread about the future of the 360/2s in the speculation area of the forum (I don't have the link to hand) - I think it's best we respect OP and Mods wishes that this remain a factual allocations/final operations thread than diverge off into "what's happening to X"

I will definitely have a final spin on one this week - I wonder if they still show "Express TV" on the sets installed in the units?

Yes they do, it's mostly BBC News feed.

 

[JonathanH]

6V33 0450 Eastleigh East Yard to Old Oak Common Emu Depot
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R03463/2020-12-07/detailed

The scrap merchant definitely beckons. 6V33 ran this morning from Eastleigh to Old Oak Common - RTT shows 66758 and 66748 allocated.

Presumably a consist will be set up today with whatever shunting is necessary and then off to Newport tomorrow morning.

 

[swt_passenger]

The scrap merchant definitely beckons. 6V33 ran this morning from Eastleigh to Old Oak Common - RTT shows 66758 and 66748 allocated.

Presumably a consist will be set up today with whatever shunting is necessary and then off to Newport tomorrow morning.

Also a path in for tomorrow from OOC to Sims Newport:

Realtime Trains - 6X33 0740 Old Oak Common Emu Depot to Newport Docks (Sims) Gbrf

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[Mag_seven]

Presumably a consist will be set up today with whatever shunting is necessary and then off to Newport tomorrow morning.

Saw the two locos and some barrier vehicles shunting around Old Oak Common HEX depot this morning.

 

[JN114]

Monday 7th December:-

332008 on Circuit ‘A’, started with 0512 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332007 on Circuit ‘B’ started at CTA with 0522 to Heathrow T5 then 0542 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332006 on Circuit ‘C’ started with 0525 Paddington to Heathrow T5

If the decommissioning order is anything to go by, I’d expect 332005 to be unit on scrap move tomorrow; or units 005 and 012 if it’s a pair.

 

[py_megapixel]

Are the 332s going to be the first units to be built for post-privatisation UK railways, but to have spent their entire life - from construction to scrap - without a single one having ever worked for a franchised TOC?

 

[ainsworth74]

A reminder that if you wish to discuss the future of these units you can find a dedicated thread in speculative ideas here. Otherwise let's try and keep this one for their winding down in service as tracking their scrapping

 

[Ianno87]

Are the 332s going to be the first units to be built for post-privatisation UK railways, but to have spent their entire life - from construction to scrap - without a single one having ever worked for a franchised TOC?

I think so. The only other non-franchised TOC to have had new-build stock is Hull Trains, whose previous fleets of 170s and 222s went on to franchised use, and their 80xs are of course still brand new.

 

[AverageTD]

Monday 7th December:-

332008 on Circuit ‘A’, started with 0512 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332007 on Circuit ‘B’ started at CTA with 0522 to Heathrow T5 then 0542 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332006 on Circuit ‘C’ started with 0525 Paddington to Heathrow T5

If the decommissioning order is anything to go by, I’d expect 332005 to be unit on scrap move tomorrow; or units 005 and 012 if it’s a pair.

Is keeping the 5 car units in longer random or deliberate? Would've thought keeping the 4 car sets going longer would be more logical.

 

[JN114]

Is keeping the 5 car units in longer random or deliberate? Would've thought keeping the 4 car sets going longer would be more logical.

As far as I’m aware, it’s based on exam mileage which units are withdrawn - but all the decision making etc in that regard is with Siemens, they just update us that unit X is being decommissioned and is no longer available for traffic. The first decommissioned unit (that wasn’t 14) was 5, a 5 car set.

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Tuesday 8th December:-

332006 on Circuit ‘A’, started with 0512 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332007 on Circuit ‘B’ started at CTA with 0522 to Heathrow T5 then 0542 Heathrow T5 to Paddington
332013 on Circuit ‘C’ started with 0525 Paddington to Heathrow T5

 

[swt_passenger]

6X33 moving about 90’ late. (Link in post #1). Has anyone seen what’s going?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

332 005 and 332 012 are today's victims.

 

[swt_passenger]

332 005 and 332 012 are today's victims.

Thanks Peter.

 

[_toommm_]

332 005 and 332 012 are today's victims.

Does it have any brake wagons or translator vehicles please?

 

[Nippy]

Yes it does

 

[JonathanH]

Does it have any brake wagons or translator vehicles please?

Yes, quite a long consist, presumably to add brake force - there was one translator vehicle coupled either side of the 9-coaches of 332 and a number of flat wagons.

Looked to me reminiscent of this formation, but with the 332s - 332012 then 332005 in the consist rather than a brand new 701.

http://www.railalbum.co.uk/diary/images-2020/66738-6x24-derby-elh-cy-12oct2020-imgp5135.jpg

Hopefully, there will be pictures emerge.

I'm interested to note that 66748 had to go back to Eastleigh yesterday after arriving at Old Oak Common so that two 6V33 trains ran yesterday.

 

[DB]

When they move the 333s, even the short distance from Neville Hill to Holbeck, they usually seem to use two locos and a through-pipe. Presumably the translator equipment which is fitted to a number of ROG / DRS / Europhoenix locos isn't compatible with these and the 332s.