Class 321 storage/scrapping

[anglian bloke]

However fair play to abeillo Anglia they did keep them to December timetable change. And a week after to.
Unlike northern history off 153 and Pacers.
Well done abeillo Anglia for keeping them.
Yes on Tuesday after working 1y31 the 321406 went ecs to ilford.

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The 4 parcels ones are already at wolverton with another for spares for these x4 moves took place around mid October to mid November.
419 429 332 singular move and 321428 321407. From worksop got them at milton Keynes or Watford Junction.

Ok thanks

 

[ScotRail158725]

A farewell tour for a group of units that don't have the right bogs/door sounders or whatever would really have a quite limited interest I think.

I have no interest in the Renatus units and same with a good number of others. They dont have the same appeal as original spec EMUs

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Are 427 and 341 still opp P5 at Colchester?

 

[fat_boy_pete]

Are 427 and 341 still opp P5 at Colchester?

There were two units still there this morning. So unless they have been swapped for two other non PRM units, yes.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

There were two units still there this morning. So unless they have been swapped for two other non PRM units, yes.

Cheers thanks

 

[Class360/1]

There were two units still there this morning. So unless they have been swapped for two other non PRM units, yes.

Still are right now

 

[Islineclear3_1]

So, yes, 427 and 341 purring away nicely at Colchester. There was a 12-car in Colchester C.S.D: 331 + 343 +409 (I think)

 

[Class360/1]

So, yes, 427 and 341 purring away nicely at Colchester. There was a 12-car in Colchester C.S.D: 331 + 343 +409 (I think)

Thanks, saw them earlier but couldn’t see the numbers

 

[class321]

In the past few days or so, has there been any Non PRM 321's running at all?

 

[Class360/1]

In the past few days or so, has there been any Non PRM 321's running at all?

Not in passenger service

 

[class321]

Not in passenger service

So its safe to say that all non PRM's are pretty much gone

 

[warwickshire]

In the past few days or so, has there been any Non PRM 321's running at all?

No none not in passenger service not since Wednesday the 22nd December 2021.
Empty coaching stock moves are still occurring but only as required to get them into temporary store on Anglia before they are either dragged away on location where stored ie clacton or might go ecs anyway to clacton etc from elsewhere to be dragged away by a locomotive to where its destination might be.

 

[Class360/1]

So its safe to say that all non PRM's are pretty much gone

Yep, plenty in warm store

 

[warwickshire]

So its safe to say that all non PRM's are pretty much gone

Yes. Sadly no longer in passenger use.

 

[warwickshire]

So its safe to say that all non PRM's are pretty much gone

Also look on website www.eversholtrail.co.uk has details on there website was updated December 2021. Only recently.
Also possible makes you start to question about will retanus 321 maybe go early 2022 as well?.
However wait and see what early 2022 brings us.

 

[Class360/1]

Also look on website www.eversholtrail.co.uk has details on there website was updated December 2021. Only recently.
Also possible makes you start to question about will retanus 321 maybe go early 2022 as well?.
However wait and see what early 2022 brings us.

It also says the renatus fleet are for lease only

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

It also says the renatus fleet are for lease only

Yes but it also says that that lease expires in January.

 

[warwickshire]

It also says the renatus fleet are for lease only

I know 31st January 2022. What I am thinking off is any retanus ones which originally was staying later on than that.
Might actually go then. Ie withdrawal etc or future use very early on 2022.

 

[warwickshire]

Yes but it also says that that lease expires in January.

Exactly also list also was updated on 20 December 2021. Also is exactly right up to date information even for the 365 19 left tallys even includes the total for the one gone on the 23rd December 2021.
However interesting to see what happens come January 2022. For the retanus 321 future for early withdrawal come end January.
Like the 365 at Belmont yard. 321s themselves early 2021. Eversholt rail have proved within the scrapping regime they don't hang around that long.

 

[samuelmorris]

I didn't think we were at anywhere near the level of 720s yet where all the 321s could be required were we? Or was this the point of the 'Covid timetable' changes - to drop the service level to the point where covering every diagram with a 5-car 720 was now achievable?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I didn't think we were at anywhere near the level of 720s yet where all the 321s could be required were we? Or was this the point of the 'Covid timetable' changes - to drop the service level to the point where covering every diagram with a 5-car 720 was now achievable?

Honestly with over forty in service and often over an hour’s gap between 321 operated services out of Liverpool Street off peak, I think they’d manage on just 720s if the vast majority were 5 car. Needless to say though, some would be rammed.

 

[samuelmorris]

Honestly with over forty in service and often over an hour’s gap between 321 operated services out of Liverpool Street off peak, I think they’d manage on just 720s if the vast majority were 5 car. Needless to say though, some would be rammed.

An hour?

 

[JonathanH]

An hour?

Take the next hour - Tiger says, from Liverpool Street:
1647 Braintree - 5 coaches
1655 Southend - 5 coaches
1702 Ipswich - 8 coaches
1715 Southend - 10 coaches
1718 Clacton - 8 coaches (splits Colchester Town)
1733 Southend - 5 coaches
1736 Colchester Town - 10 coaches
1747 Braintree - 5 coaches
1755 Southend - 5 coaches
1802 Ipswich - not shown, but suggestion to travel in front four for Sudbury, so assume 321s
1815 Southend - 10 coaches
1818 Clacton - 8 coaches
1833 Southend - 5 coaches
1836 Colchester Town - 5 coaches

321 departures somewhat sparse on an 'off-peak' timetable.

 

[43102EMR]

Take the next hour - Tiger says, from Liverpool Street:
1647 Braintree - 5 coaches
1655 Southend - 5 coaches
1702 Ipswich - 8 coaches
1715 Southend - 10 coaches
1718 Clacton - 8 coaches (splits Colchester Town)
1733 Southend - 5 coaches
1736 Colchester Town - 10 coaches
1747 Braintree - 5 coaches
1755 Southend - 5 coaches
1802 Ipswich - not shown, but suggestion to travel in front four for Sudbury, so assume 321s
1815 Southend - 10 coaches
1818 Clacton - 8 coaches

321 departures somewhat sparse on an 'off-peak' timetable.

On Walton and Harwich branch services, they’re relatively common - then again, these are branch line services and only have a few diagrams for them a day…

 

[samuelmorris]

Take the next hour - Tiger says, from Liverpool Street:
1647 Braintree - 5 coaches
1655 Southend - 5 coaches
1702 Ipswich - 8 coaches
1715 Southend - 10 coaches
1718 Clacton - 8 coaches (splits Colchester Town)
1733 Southend - 5 coaches
1736 Colchester Town - 10 coaches
1747 Braintree - 5 coaches
1755 Southend - 5 coaches
1802 Ipswich - not shown, but suggestion to travel in front four for Sudbury, so assume 321s
1815 Southend - 10 coaches
1818 Clacton - 8 coaches
1833 Southend - 5 coaches
1836 Colchester Town - 5 coaches

321 departures somewhat sparse on an 'off-peak' timetable.

Ah OK right, so you're describing the services remaining as 321s. Fair. Even so, that still suggests 2tph diagrammed as 321s at least (but the CET and Southend services may end up going down to 5)

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Ah OK right, so you're describing the services remaining as 321s. Fair. Even so, that still suggests 2tph diagrammed as 321s at least (but the CET and Southend services may end up going down to 5)

That’s also largely peak time shown in that example. At around 1pm/2pm the 321s are even rarer these days.

 

[mtmikethom]

mostly found the 321’s a decent train, but the interior state of the Renatus units especially the seating makes me think many can’t wait to see the back of them

 

[samuelmorris]

Do you not remember what the 360 seats used to look like before they were re-covered?

 

[class321]

That’s also largely peak time shown in that example. At around 1pm/2pm the 321s are even rarer these days.

Yhh that is true. On 5/12/21 I went on the 321 at Stratford around 1:00. I asked one of the staff when the next 321 was coming, it was a good 1.5 hrs later. Ended up going Westfield to kill time.

 

[Class360/1]

Do you not remember what the 360 seats used to look like before they were re-covered?

They were gross and extremely faded. Looked horrible and disgusting.