Class 321 storage/scrapping

[CDM]

Am I right in thinking that all of the ones that have already gone for scrap were those in the worst conditions?

That would make sense.

There is very little difference in them, condition-wise. They have all been looked after very well and maintained in comparable condition. Unlike the 317's for example, they have always had thorough body overhauls to keep them in great nick without terrible corrosion.

The scrap criteria has been based on whether PRM compliant (i.e. not PRM compliant) and when due in the overhaul cycle.

Unfortunately this has meant the Clacton 'celebrity' units have gone for scrap

 

[DBS92042]

There is very little difference in them, condition-wise. They have all been looked after very well and maintained in comparable condition. Unlike the 317's for example, they have always had thorough body overhauls to keep them in great nick without terrible corrosion.

The scrap criteria has been based on whether PRM compliant (i.e. not PRM compliant) and when due in the overhaul cycle.

Unfortunately this has meant the Clacton 'celebrity' units have gone for scrap

Thanks for that, it's good to know they've been well looked after.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Unfortunately this has meant the Clacton 'celebrity' units have gone for scrap

Celebrity units? What were these?

 

[CDM]

Celebrity units? What were these?

Clacton celebrity was in inverted comma's... (Only of local celebrity/relevance to Clacton Depot).
321346 and 321424

Another particularly 'notable' unit that's already been scrapped (this one not to Clacton, more generally notable) is 321361 "Phoenix".

 

[class321]

Does anyone know what happened to class 321405?

 

[3973EXL]

STP 20/05

57305 running to Norwich 19/05 vice Colchester. 20/05 VSTP Norwich - Clacton.
Realtime Trains - 065R 0630 Norwich to Clacton-on-Sea

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0728 Colchester C.S.D. to Clacton C.S.D.
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0919 Clacton C.S.D. to Gascoigne Wood Sidings 5Q16 reported to be 321408/444

Signalling problems north of Ipswich delaying loco ex Norwich.
Arrived 54 late. 5Q16 dep 1015.

 

[warwickshire]

Update further 321343 and 321423 are back in service as off Monday the 17th may 2021 from warm store a very reliable source off mine has shown me pictures off these in service on the southminster branch on this date.
Also 321441 and 321409 was noted as well on the clacton on sea and Ipswich services respectively. Back from warm store.

 

[ls2270]

5Q16 today confirmed to be 321444 and 321408 .

 

[DBS92042]

5Q16 today confirmed to be 321444 and 321408 .

Is it known if these are destined for storage or for scrapping?

 

[Shunter_69]

Storage

 

[DBS92042]

Storage

Thanks. Are they for eventual conversion or has that not been decided yet?

 

[warwickshire]

Also is this the final off the storage moves for now or is there anymore next week. Does anyone kindly know any more further information???

 

[class321]

Clacton celebrity was in inverted comma's... (Only of local celebrity/relevance to Clacton Depot).
321346 and 321424

Another particularly 'notable' unit that's already been scrapped (this one not to Clacton, more generally notable) is 321361 "Phoenix".

424 hasn't gone to scrap. It is still running.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Are non-PRM 321s still all going to be out of service on 31st May?


If so, will the 31st May be the last full service day ie: all units allowed to be in service until 23:59 on the 31st?

or

Does the dispensation expire 00:00 on the 31st May with the previous day being the last full day in service?

Thanks.

 

[Bikeman78]

Are non-PRM 321s still all going to be out of service on 31st May?


If so, will the 31st May be the last full service day ie: all units allowed to be in service until 23:59 on the 31st?

or

Does the dispensation expire 00:00 on the 31st May with the previous day being the last full day in service?

Thanks.

I'd imagine that it will be extended otherwise there will be a lot of four car trains. If anything some have come back from store recently.

 

[swt_passenger]

Are non-PRM 321s still all going to be out of service on 31st May?


If so, will the 31st May be the last full service day ie: all units allowed to be in service until 23:59 on the 31st?

or

Does the dispensation expire 00:00 on the 31st May with the previous day being the last full day in service?

Thanks.

Expiry is at 2359 on the given date, having just checked a sample of GA letters on DfT’s site.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Expiry is at 2359 on the given date, having just checked a sample of GA letters on DfT’s site.

Thank you.

I'd imagine that it will be extended otherwise there will be a lot of four car trains. If anything some have come back from store recently.

Maybe, we shall see! Although if they've not sorted it out by now, they are leaving it last minute or there might not be another extension.

 

[Railperf]

Thank you.


Maybe, we shall see! Although if they've not sorted it out by now, they are leaving it last minute or there might not be another extension.

Could GA get round it by attaching at least one PRM 321 to a non PRM 321? to avoid a severe shortage - unless a mass influx of 720's is due? Could be a logisitical nightmare but a way to ensure every train is PRM compliant.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Could GA get round it by attaching at least one PRM 321 to a non PRM 321? to avoid a severe shortage - unless a mass influx of 720's is due? Could be a logisitical nightmare but a way to ensure every train is PRM compliant.

True, I mean northern have done it before with some of their units, so a similar arrangement on GA could occur if required.

 

[DanNCL]

I think I read elsewhere that the deadline for the non PRM 321s to be withdrawn by had been postponed again, but I'm not sure how long for.

 

[221101 Voyager]

I think I read elsewhere that the deadline for the non PRM 321s to be withdrawn by had been postponed again, but I'm not sure how long for.

It will be interesting to see if that's the case.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Does anyone know the status of 405 and 445 please?

 

[3973EXL]

STP 27/05

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0545 Norwich T.C. to Clacton C.S.D. 57305
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0919 Clacton C.S.D. to Gascoigne Wood Sidings

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Blimey, that's a lot going for store there...Perhaps they're going to be repurposed as vaccination centres...

 

[43096]

Could GA get round it by attaching at least one PRM 321 to a non PRM 321? to avoid a severe shortage - unless a mass influx of 720's is due? Could be a logisitical nightmare but a way to ensure every train is PRM compliant.

You cannot "get round it". What might be agreed is a dispensation that allows non-PRM 321s to remain in service, but only if working with a Renatus, 321/9 or 322 set.

 

[73128]

You cannot "get round it". What might be agreed is a dispensation that allows non-PRM 321s to remain in service, but only if working with a Renatus, 321/9 or 322 set.

all of the (several) 321/9 and 322s i have travelled in recently have had the UAT out of order, seemingly medium term, so if i were the DfT I'd only allow it with Renatus sets.

 

[typetwos]

STP 27/05

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0545 Norwich T.C. to Clacton C.S.D. 57305
Realtime Trains - FRGT 0919 Clacton C.S.D. to Gascoigne Wood Sidings

57305 with 321431 & 321445 on 5Q16 09:19 CLACTNEMU to GASWDWSUS 27/05/21 for storage

 

[ScotRail158725]

Apologies if i’ve missed something but is are the non PRM 321s being withdrawn at the end of May or have they been granted a bit more time?

 

[Shunter_69]

Apologies if i’ve missed something but is are the non PRM 321s being withdrawn at the end of May or have they been granted a bit more time?

It appears they have been extended and will have to be coupled to a PRM 321 in service. Not sure how long the extension is.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

As there aren't many 720s in service on GA I suspect they'll be around for a while yet