Class 319's into storage/withdrawals tracker

[class387]

The last four units were collected from Cricklewood I believe. I saw two units yesterday at Cricklewood out of the window but didn't get unit numbers. One had all of its doors open (on one side)

So no more 319s? Or do they still work Sevenoaks trains?

 

[Segedunum]

There's definitely still plenty around at the minute.

I had 319215, 319437 and 319444 appear within a 30 minute period on Sutton services with 319439 on a Sevenoaks, yesterday.

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[ChiefPlanner]

Best place is south of Luton and St Albans - and especially on West Hampstead terminators ...

Saw zero on on Sunday .....

 

[ComUtoR]

Saw zero on on Sunday .....

And yet, I drove one all day.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Saw 100% 319s on Sunday in my neck of the woods

 

[Please Explain]

I'm sitting here enjoying the nice comfy armchairs while I still can onboard 319447 on 2O32 (20h37 SUO-LUT).

Will miss these TL workhorses when their all gone...

 

[Class455]

I saw loads today while spotting at West Hampstead and Cricklewood. Although within the last few days, 319 217 has been dumped in a siding in Orpington. Not sure if its been moved yet.

 

[507021]

I'm sitting here enjoying the nice comfy armchairs while I still can onboard 319431 on 2O32 (20h37 SUO-LUT).

Will miss these TL workhorses when their all gone...

That unit is stored at Wolverton, are you sure it was 319431?

 

[Please Explain]

Sorry, it was 447. Half asleep..

 

[childwallblues]

sad to see the end of the 319s, I'll never forget them thrashing down the Quarry line.

You can still get a 100 mph thrash on Northerns 319s between Euxton Junction and Wigan North Western.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Saw 100% 319s on Sunday in my neck of the woods

Split service - maybe they all huddled together for support...

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Saw 100% 319s on Sunday in my neck of the woods

Split service - maybe they all huddled together for support...

 

[urpert]

I caught one (or rather two) at Herne Hill at 0701 this morning.

 

[Class455]

I'd imagine four units will be gone this weekend considering its the final week of 319 operation?

 

[LA50041]

I'd imagine four units will be gone this weekend considering its the final week of 319 operation?

I don't think you'll find this is the last week of 319's on Thameslink, I'm hearing they could be around until August

 

[Islineclear3_1]

I don't think you'll find this is the last week of 319's on Thameslink, I'm hearing they could be around until August

Is this actually true? Are there really not enough 700s available?

 

[OFFDN]

I think I must have posted this on another thread, but yes August is the estimate.

From what I have heard from people in the know, there are around 30 319 diagrams for this weekend coming and 12 377 units. Given that on past occasions 2 700 units have come in a fortnight and replaced like for like... that would suggest that even if a cascade happened Monday, it will still be about 20 weeks until ThamesLink is fully 700 (40 units to cascade, at a rate of 4 a fortnight = 2 a week, so 40/2 = roughly 20 weeks).

Even if all of the 319s went first before any 377 that's 30 units so roughly 15 weeks.

 

[Minstral25]

I think I must have posted this on another thread, but yes August is the estimate.

From what I have heard from people in the know, there are around 30 319 diagrams for this weekend coming and 12 377 units. Given that on past occasions 2 700 units have come in a fortnight and replaced like for like... that would suggest that even if a cascade happened Monday, it will still be about 20 weeks until ThamesLink is fully 700 (40 units to cascade, at a rate of 4 a fortnight = 2 a week, so 40/2 = roughly 20 weeks).

Even if all of the 319s went first before any 377 that's 30 units so roughly 15 weeks.

Isn't there around 15-18 700/0's already here and commissioned that haven't entered service yet. I'd guess the delays are more to do with Drivers being trained on 700's than stock.

 

[Verulamius]

My understanding is that each 319 diagram is for a four car train. Thus 30 diagrams require 15 700s.

 

[ComUtoR]

I don't think you'll find this is the last week of 319's on Thameslink, I'm hearing they could be around until August

Potentially September.

 

[Class455]

Its only meant to be the Sevenoaks line which should still be 319 by next week.Even though some Sevenoaks diagrams are 700's. Spoken to a few drivers and they have said the 319's come off the Sutton Loop next week. If the 319's are going to stick to routes other than Sevenoaks, then why is there a farewell tour being held on Sunday?
Saw 700 034 on test yesterday at City Thameslink

 

[JonathanH]

Its only meant to be the Sevenoaks line which should still be 319 by next week.Even though some Sevenoaks diagrams are 700's. Spoken to a few drivers and they have said the 319's come off the Sutton Loop next week. If the 319's are going to stick to routes other than Sevenoaks, then why is there a farewell tour being held on Sunday?
Saw 700 034 on test yesterday at City Thameslink

There seems to have been a delay as it is some time (mid-March) since the daily 700/0 requirement reached 19 units and it doesn't appear to have gone up since (although there seems to have been some tinkering of diagrams since then). I haven't seen any report of a new unit having been put into service since 700044 became the 28th in service in mid-April.

Wasn't the indication that the farewell tour is connected with the cessation of maintenance work at Bedford Cauldwell Depot?

 

[Class455]

There seems to have been a delay as it is some time (mid-March) since the daily 700/0 requirement reached 19 units and it doesn't appear to have gone up since (although there seems to have been some tinkering of diagrams since then). I haven't seen any report of a new unit having been put into service since 700044 became the 28th in service in mid-April.

Wasn't the indication that the farewell tour is connected with the cessation of maintenance work at Bedford Cauldwell Depot?

Yes.
Most 700's have been delivered to Hornsey now, and there are now 12 car sets being delivered, the first wave of 8 car 700's are now all in the UK.

 

[John1975]

SX 319 diagrams for next week

(701/702)
5H14 06+32 Cauldwell to Luton
2E15 07.00 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E73 09.13 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J73 10+41 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5A39 13+10 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E39 13.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E57 15.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J57 16+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5A05 17+02 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E05 17+12 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E73 19.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J73 20+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A21 20+43 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E21 20.51 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2B87 22.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B31 23.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F31 00+54 Sevenoaks to Orpington Sidings

(703/704)
5L51 04+22 Orpington Sidings to Orpington
2L51 04.34 Orpington to Blackfriars
2E01 05.24 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
2E61 06.42 Sevenoaks to Luton
2V31 08.54 Luton to Sutton
2V32 10.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O57 12.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O58 13.37 Sutton to Luton
2V87 15.44 Luton to Sutton
2V88 17.42 Sutton to St Albans
2O31 19.22 St Albans to Sutton
2O32 20.37 Sutton to Luton
2V61 22.50 Luton to Sutton
5V61 00+39 Sutton to Orpington

(705/706)
2L55 05.34 Orpington to Blackfriars
2E07 06.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
2E67 07.53 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J67 09+31 Kentish Town to Cricklewood UGL
5A27 09+52 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E27 10.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E85 12.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J85 13+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A41 13+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E41 13.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2B59 15.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
3E61 16+51 Blackfriars to Elephant & Castle (via Bellingham Sidings)
1G61 18.20 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G61 19+46 Bedford to Bedford CS

(707/708)
5H05 04+47 Bedford CS to Luton
2O05 05.26 Luton to Sutton
2O06 07.06 Sutton to St Albans
2E23 08.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E81 11.00 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J81 12+25 Kentish Town to Cricklewood UGL
5A37 12+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E37 12.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E55 14.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J55 15+56 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A01 16+12 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E01 16.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E65 18.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5U65 20+30 Bedford to Cauldwell

(709/710)
5H01 04+10 Bedford CS to Luton
2V01 04.46 Luton to Sutton
2V02 06.35 Sutton to St Albans
2E95 08.07 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E77 10.01 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 11+26 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A35 12+12 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E35 12.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E53 14.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J53 15+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A49 15+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E49 15.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E67 17.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G65 20+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

(801/802)
5L91 04+36 Orpington Sidings to Orpington
2D91 04.54 Orpington to St Albans
2E11 06.38 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E71 08.43 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2O45 10.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O46 12.07 Sutton to Luton
2V75 14.14 Luton to Sutton
2V76 16.08 Sutton to St Albans
2E09 17.44 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2A96 19.45 Sevenoaks to Bromley South
5B96 20+16 Bromley South to Bellingham Sidings

(803/804)
5L59 07+00 Bellingham Sidings to Orpington
2L59 07.47 Orpington to Luton
2V39 09.44 Luton to Sutton
2V40 11.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O65 13.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O66 14.37 Sutton to Luton
2V95 16.44 Luton to Sutton
2V96 18.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O39 20.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O40 21.47 Sutton to Bedford
5G40 00+12 Bedford to Bedford CS

(805/806)
5H07 05+12 Bedford CS to Luton
2V07 05.52 Luton to Sutton
2V08 07.37 Sutton to Luton
2V35 09.14 Luton to Sutton
2V36 11.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O61 12.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O62 14.07 Sutton to Luton
2V91 16.14 Luton to Sutton
2V92 18.08 Sutton to St Albans
2E19 19.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2B85 22.00 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B29 23.12 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5B29 00+31 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS

(807/808)
5E59 06+10 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E59 06.13 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2V27 08.23 St Albans to Sutton
2V28 10.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O53 11.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O54 13.07 Sutton to Luton
2V83 15.14 Luton to Sutton
2V84 17.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O27 18.52 St Albans to Sutton
2O28 20.07 Sutton to Luton
2V57 22.20 Luton to Sutton
5V57 00+07 Sutton to Cricklewood Depot

(809/810)
5A93 05+50 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2L93 05.59 West Hampstead to Orpington
1G61 07.28 Orpington to Bedford
5H29 09+34 Bedford to Luton
2E29 10.14 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E87 12.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J87 13+55 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
3J75 15+26 Cricklewood Depot to Elephant & Castle (via Bellingham Sidings)
1G75 16.52 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5U75 18+14 Bedford to Cauldwell

(811/812)
5H17 06+44 Cauldwell to Luton
2O17 07.10 Luton to Sutton
2O18 08.45 Sutton to Luton
2V47 10.44 Luton to Sutton
2V48 12.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O73 14.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O74 15.37 Sutton to Luton
2E11 17.38 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E77 20.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 21+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot

(813/814)
5V94 04+44 Cricklewood Depot to Selhurst
2V94 05.38 Selhurst to Luton
2V19 07.30 Luton to Sutton
2V20 09.13 Sutton to Kentish Town
5J20 10+10 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A31 11+12 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E31 11.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E89 13.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J89 14+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A45 14+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E45 14.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E97 16.21 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2E13 18.26 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2B79 20.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B23 21.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F23 22+52 Sevenoaks to Bellingham Sidings

(815/816)
5L93 06+24 Bellingham Sidings to Orpington
2D93 06.58 Orpington to St Albans
2O29 08.43 St Albans to Sutton
2O30 10.07 Sutton to Luton
2V59 12.14 Luton to Sutton
2V60 14.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O85 15.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O86 17.11 Sutton to Luton
2E17 19.10 Luton to Sevenoaks
2B83 21.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B27 22.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F27 23+50 Sevenoaks to Orpington Sidings

 

[class387]

SX 319 diagrams for next week

(701/702)
5H14 06+32 Cauldwell to Luton
2E15 07.00 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E73 09.13 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J73 10+41 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5A39 13+10 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E39 13.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E57 15.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J57 16+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5A05 17+02 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E05 17+12 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E73 19.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J73 20+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A21 20+43 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E21 20.51 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2B87 22.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B31 23.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F31 00+54 Sevenoaks to Orpington Sidings

(703/704)
5L51 04+22 Orpington Sidings to Orpington
2L51 04.34 Orpington to Blackfriars
2E01 05.24 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
2E61 06.42 Sevenoaks to Luton
2V31 08.54 Luton to Sutton
2V32 10.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O57 12.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O58 13.37 Sutton to Luton
2V87 15.44 Luton to Sutton
2V88 17.42 Sutton to St Albans
2O31 19.22 St Albans to Sutton
2O32 20.37 Sutton to Luton
2V61 22.50 Luton to Sutton
5V61 00+39 Sutton to Orpington

(705/706)
2L55 05.34 Orpington to Blackfriars
2E07 06.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
2E67 07.53 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J67 09+31 Kentish Town to Cricklewood UGL
5A27 09+52 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E27 10.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E85 12.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J85 13+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A41 13+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E41 13.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2B59 15.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
3E61 16+51 Blackfriars to Elephant & Castle (via Bellingham Sidings)
1G61 18.20 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G61 19+46 Bedford to Bedford CS

(707/708)
5H05 04+47 Bedford CS to Luton
2O05 05.26 Luton to Sutton
2O06 07.06 Sutton to St Albans
2E23 08.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E81 11.00 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J81 12+25 Kentish Town to Cricklewood UGL
5A37 12+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E37 12.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E55 14.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J55 15+56 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A01 16+12 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E01 16.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E65 18.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5U65 20+30 Bedford to Cauldwell

(709/710)
5H01 04+10 Bedford CS to Luton
2V01 04.46 Luton to Sutton
2V02 06.35 Sutton to St Albans
2E95 08.07 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E77 10.01 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 11+26 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A35 12+12 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E35 12.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E53 14.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J53 15+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A49 15+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E49 15.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E67 17.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G65 20+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

(801/802)
5L91 04+36 Orpington Sidings to Orpington
2D91 04.54 Orpington to St Albans
2E11 06.38 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2E71 08.43 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2O45 10.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O46 12.07 Sutton to Luton
2V75 14.14 Luton to Sutton
2V76 16.08 Sutton to St Albans
2E09 17.44 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2A96 19.45 Sevenoaks to Bromley South
5B96 20+16 Bromley South to Bellingham Sidings

(803/804)
5L59 07+00 Bellingham Sidings to Orpington
2L59 07.47 Orpington to Luton
2V39 09.44 Luton to Sutton
2V40 11.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O65 13.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O66 14.37 Sutton to Luton
2V95 16.44 Luton to Sutton
2V96 18.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O39 20.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O40 21.47 Sutton to Bedford
5G40 00+12 Bedford to Bedford CS

(805/806)
5H07 05+12 Bedford CS to Luton
2V07 05.52 Luton to Sutton
2V08 07.37 Sutton to Luton
2V35 09.14 Luton to Sutton
2V36 11.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O61 12.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O62 14.07 Sutton to Luton
2V91 16.14 Luton to Sutton
2V92 18.08 Sutton to St Albans
2E19 19.58 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2B85 22.00 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B29 23.12 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5B29 00+31 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS

(807/808)
5E59 06+10 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E59 06.13 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2V27 08.23 St Albans to Sutton
2V28 10.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O53 11.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O54 13.07 Sutton to Luton
2V83 15.14 Luton to Sutton
2V84 17.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O27 18.52 St Albans to Sutton
2O28 20.07 Sutton to Luton
2V57 22.20 Luton to Sutton
5V57 00+07 Sutton to Cricklewood Depot

(809/810)
5A93 05+50 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2L93 05.59 West Hampstead to Orpington
1G61 07.28 Orpington to Bedford
5H29 09+34 Bedford to Luton
2E29 10.14 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E87 12.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J87 13+55 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
3J75 15+26 Cricklewood Depot to Elephant & Castle (via Bellingham Sidings)
1G75 16.52 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5U75 18+14 Bedford to Cauldwell

(811/812)
5H17 06+44 Cauldwell to Luton
2O17 07.10 Luton to Sutton
2O18 08.45 Sutton to Luton
2V47 10.44 Luton to Sutton
2V48 12.38 Sutton to St Albans
2O73 14.14 St Albans to Sutton
2O74 15.37 Sutton to Luton
2E11 17.38 Luton to Sevenoaks
2E77 20.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J77 21+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot

(813/814)
5V94 04+44 Cricklewood Depot to Selhurst
2V94 05.38 Selhurst to Luton
2V19 07.30 Luton to Sutton
2V20 09.13 Sutton to Kentish Town
5J20 10+10 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A31 11+12 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E31 11.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E89 13.00 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J89 14+27 West Hampstead to Cricklewood UGL
5A45 14+42 Cricklewood UGL to West Hampstead
2E45 14.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E97 16.21 Sevenoaks to St Albans
2E13 18.26 St Albans to Sevenoaks
2B79 20.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B23 21.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F23 22+52 Sevenoaks to Bellingham Sidings

(815/816)
5L93 06+24 Bellingham Sidings to Orpington
2D93 06.58 Orpington to St Albans
2O29 08.43 St Albans to Sutton
2O30 10.07 Sutton to Luton
2V59 12.14 Luton to Sutton
2V60 14.08 Sutton to St Albans
2O85 15.44 St Albans to Sutton
2O86 17.11 Sutton to Luton
2E17 19.10 Luton to Sevenoaks
2B83 21.30 Sevenoaks to Blackfriars
2B27 22.42 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks
5F27 23+50 Sevenoaks to Orpington Sidings

When are these expected to last until and is there any weekend work north of the river?

 

[Class455]

I'm so confused. I thought that this week would see the final 319's come off the Sutton loop and they'll just stick to Sevenoaks work until August. Whilst this is good news for me, is there not enough 700/0's in service to cover all the diagrams?

 

[JonathanH]

I'm so confused. I thought that this week would see the final 319's come off the Sutton loop and they'll just stick to Sevenoaks work until August. Whilst this is good news for me, is there not enough 700/0's in service to cover all the diagrams?

Plan seems to have changed - progress was being made until mid March as the rate of two new 700/0 diagrams each two weeks - it is about ten weeks since then so on that plan there would be about 30 700/0 diagrams. Count the number of pairs above that don't go to Sevenoaks.

700/0 introduction seems to have paused so presumably something is behind. Hence 319s and 377s still being used.

 

[John1975]

When are these expected to last until

No idea how long 319's will be around for, but somebody earlier posted September. The way the cascade seems to have stalled, this sounds about right.

is there any weekend work north of the river?

Plenty. Blackfriars to Sevenoaks Saturday and Sunday are exclusively 319, plus the usual mix of 319/377/700 on the Wimbledon Loop.

 

[D365]

It's not exactly like the 319s have places to be... it seems.

 

[MatthewRead]

So how long before the 319's are taken off the Sutton loop because I'd like to film some at Sutton