Class 318 diagrams

[shredder1]

Class 318 diagrams, can anyone advice please?

 

[JonathanH]

Class 318 diagrams, can anyone advice please?

Should be fairly easy to work out by looking at RTT and tracing unit workings.

I assume 318s have specific diagrams but end up working interchangeably with 320s in practice.

 

[snookertam]

Yes, class 318 units have specific diagrams, but in practice they will work entirely interchangeably with class 320 diagrams.

As a general rule, they’ll be found on Airdrie-Balloch, Dalmuir-Springburn, Argyle Line (Dalmuir-Motherwell/Larkhall) Glasgow Central to Neilston/Newton and Inverclyde routes. Biggest concentration is on the Argyle Line.

 

[JonathanH]

Snapshot from RTT
318250 not working
318251 2F07 1717 Motherwell to Dalmuir with 320311
318252 2R10 1709 Dalmuir to Motherwell
318253 Not working
318254 2N31 1714 Neilston to Glasgow Central with 320306
318255 2E68 1608 Balloch to Airdrie with 320308
318256 2S09 1726 Motherwell to Dalmuir
318257 2E71 1714 Airdrie to Balloch with 320415
318258 Not working
318259 2E72 1708 Balloch to Airdrie with 318260
318260 2E72 1708 Balloch to Airdrie with 318259
318261 2C12 1700 Dalmuir to Motherwell with 320401
318262 2B95 1753 Lanark to Glasgow Central with 320403
318263 2I31 1723 Glasgow Central to Glasgow Central
318264 2L24 1717 Dalmuir to Larkhall with 320322
318265 2V66 1707 Milngavie to Springburn
318266 2L20 1617 Dalmuir to Larkhall
318267 2F05 1617 Cumbernauld to Dalmuir with 318268
318268 2F05 1617 Cumbernauld to Dalmuir with 318267
318269 2L02 1747 Dalmuir to Larkhall with 320420
318270 2L21 1703 Larkhall to Dalmuir with 320416

 

[shredder1]

Yes, class 318 units have specific diagrams, but in practice they will work entirely interchangeably with class 320 diagrams.

As a general rule, they’ll be found on Airdrie-Balloch, Dalmuir-Springburn, Argyle Line (Dalmuir-Motherwell/Larkhall) Glasgow Central to Neilston/Newton and Inverclyde routes. Biggest concentration is on the Argyle Line.

Thank you very much for that, much appreciated, I saw one of two out of central station over the weekend, one was paired with a 320. All the others I saw was working the underground cross Glasgow routes, some to Milngavie, Im up there again this weekend so will check out some of your suggestions.

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Snapshot from RTT
318250 not working
318251 2F07 1717 Motherwell to Dalmuir with 320311
318252 2R10 1709 Dalmuir to Motherwell
318253 Not working
318254 2N31 1714 Neilston to Glasgow Central with 320306
318255 2E68 1608 Balloch to Airdrie with 320308
318256 2S09 1726 Motherwell to Dalmuir
318257 2E71 1714 Airdrie to Balloch with 320415
318258 Not working
318259 2E72 1708 Balloch to Airdrie with 318260
318260 2E72 1708 Balloch to Airdrie with 318259
318261 2C12 1700 Dalmuir to Motherwell with 320401
318262 2B95 1753 Lanark to Glasgow Central with 320403
318263 2I31 1723 Glasgow Central to Glasgow Central
318264 2L24 1717 Dalmuir to Larkhall with 320322
318265 2V66 1707 Milngavie to Springburn
318266 2L20 1617 Dalmuir to Larkhall
318267 2F05 1617 Cumbernauld to Dalmuir with 318268
318268 2F05 1617 Cumbernauld to Dalmuir with 318267
318269 2L02 1747 Dalmuir to Larkhall with 320420
318270 2L21 1703 Larkhall to Dalmuir with 320416

Fantastic, thank you very much.

 

[stantheman]

Wonder how long these have left in service ?

 

[JonathanH]

Wonder how long these have left in service ?

There is no replacement plan in the public domain, nor does there particularly need to be, so you will have to continue to wonder.

There was a press release in May 2021 about another round of overhauls starting around now so they aren't going anywhere just yet.

https://eversholtrail.co.uk/news/class-318-time-based-overhaul-press-release/

27.05.2021

Class 318 Time Based Overhaul​

Eversholt Rail have awarded Brodie Engineering a multimillion-pound contract to perform a time-based overhaul on our fleet of Class 318 Electric Multiple Units.

This contract is due to commence in November 2021 and will be a direct follow on from the highly successful Class 320 Time Based Overhaul Extra programme currently being undertaken at Brodie Engineering’s Bonnyton Works.

The scope of the work includes the safety critical overhaul of several components including traction equipment, doors, heating and ventilation systems as well as exterior re-livery.

The 21 Class 318’s, currently on lease to ScotRail, operate on various service lines in and around West Central Scotland.

Gerry Hilferty, Managing Director of Brodie Engineering said “We are delighted and extremely proud to have been awarded this contract. This reaffirms the collaborative working relationship that we have developed with Eversholt Rail over several years. This contract will retain jobs in East Ayrshire and provides us with a firm foundation to build upon, following our recent acquisition of neighbouring Caledonia Works”

Paul Sutherland, Client Relations Director at Eversholt Rail said “Following the successful delivery of the overhaul of our Class 320 fleet by Brodie Engineering, we are delighted to award this contract for works on our Class 318 fleet. We look forward to continuing to develop our collaborative working with Brodie Engineering and ScotRail to deliver safe and reliable trains back to Scotland’s passengers”

Syeda Ghufran, ScotRail Engineering Director, said “Safety is always our top priority, and we have every confidence this will prove to be another excellent partnership with Eversholt Rail and Brodie Engineering. This extensive overhaul of our fleet of Class 318 trains will greatly enhance the reliability and comfort we already provide customers travelling around the West Central Scotland area.”

Dougie Andrew, Transport Scotland Rolling Stock Programme Sponsor said “This is a welcome contract award which demonstrates our continued support for rail and funding for rolling stock is delivering wider benefits to local Scottish companies. This helps create and sustain jobs in the rail maintenance industry while bringing green benefits by re-engineering existing trains.”

 

[ScotRail158725]

Wonder how long these have left in service ?

still a good 5 years at least anyway. There’ll likely be a uniform fleet repleacement for suburban Glasgow replacing both the 318s and 320s and possibly 334s too

 

[Scotrail314209]

To track down the 318s the easiest option would be to hang around Glasgow Central and Partick for a while, one or two will most likely show up.

 

[shredder1]

To track down the 318s the easiest option would be to hang around Glasgow Central and Partick for a while, one or two will most likely show up.

Thanks very much guys for all the info, very enlightening. I spent some time around Glasgow Central and Partick last weekend, I only saw 3 work into Central, but quite a few on the Partick lines, so this weekend I think Ill just try to ride any I see, thanks again.

 

[Scotrail314209]

Thanks very much guys for all the info, very enlightening. I spent some time around Glasgow Central and Partick last weekend, I only saw 3 work into Central, but quite a few on the Partick lines, so this weekend I think Ill just try to ride any I see, thanks again.

You’ll definitely see less in Glasgow Central as they tend to work further out such as Gourock and Lanark.

These services are also shared with the 380 and 385.

 

[shredder1]

You’ll definitely see less in Glasgow Central as they tend to work further out such as Gourock and Lanark.

These services are also shared with the 380 and 385.

I see, thank you.

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Ill be on a Transpennine service on the club 55 ticket back to Manchester from Glasgow on sunday, but can`t seem to find any transpennine services, do they not operate on a sunday from Glasgow Central?

 

[Scotrail314209]

I see, thank you.

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Ill be on a Transpennine service on the club 55 ticket back to Manchester from Glasgow on sunday, but can`t seem to find any transpennine services, do they not operate on a sunday from Glasgow Central?

They do, but it only seems to be two trains per day, 1107 Manchester and 1405 Liverpool southbound.

Three northbound: 1324 arrival from Liverpool, 1841 from Manchester and 2133 from Liverpool.

 

[shredder1]

They do, but it only seems to be two trains per day, 1107 Manchester and 1405 Liverpool southbound.

Three northbound: 1324 arrival from Liverpool, 1841 from Manchester and 2133 from Liverpool.

Ah thanks Ill get the 14.05 and change at Wigan thats great thank you

 

[route101]

318s and 320s on the Neilston are a more recent development. Used to get the odd 318 back in the early 2000s

 

[stantheman]

Why are so many attached to a 320?

 

[JonathanH]

Why are so many attached to a 320?

Why not? They are worked fairly indiscriminately and there are 21 318s and 34 320s. Therefore, it isn't really surprising to find 318s paired with 320s. I imagine that if a snapshot was taken on a different day there could be more 318 pairs than there were yesterday. There are likely to be more 320 pairs than 318 pairs.

 

[shredder1]

318s and 320s on the Neilston are a more recent development. Used to get the odd 318 back in the early 2000s

I was on a 380 to Neilston last saturday. Which depots are these units allocated too?

 

[ScotRail158725]

I was on a 380 to Neilston last saturday. Which depots are these units allocated too?

Maintenance carried out at Shields Road but they’re stabled at Yoker, Shields Road & Corkerhill

 

[shredder1]

Maintenance carried out at Shields Road but they’re stabled at Yoker, Shields Road & Corkerhill

Ah thank you.

 

[Falcon1200]

Why are so many attached to a 320?

318s and 320s are basically the same type, just with different ends.

 

[stantheman]

318267 and 8 stabled overnight at Bathgate and left for Airdrie this morning , not sure if this is a daily event

 

[Scotrail314209]

318267 and 8 stabled overnight at Bathgate and left for Airdrie this morning , not sure if this is a daily event

Yep, thats a daily thing. I think it's down to space at Yoker and Shields, the 318/320 can operate east of Airdrie but out of passenger service. Theres normally some 318/320 sitting at Bathgate on Sundays too.

 

[CEN60]

Yep, thats a daily thing. I think it's down to space at Yoker and Shields, the 318/320 can operate east of Airdrie but out of passenger service. Theres normally some 318/320 sitting at Bathgate on Sundays too.

Out of curiosity - why can the 318/320 operate "Out of Passenger Service" - are you saying it can run the route but is not authorized to run picking up passengers - seems a bit strange if its cleared for the route? Just curious what the situation is?

 

[ScotRail158725]

Out of curiosity - why can the 318/320 operate "Out of Passenger Service" - are you saying it can run the route but is not authorized to run picking up passengers - seems a bit strange if its cleared for the route? Just curious what the situation is?

Because of DOO

 

[JonathanH]

Because of DOO

ie not having side mounted cameras

 

[CEN60]

ie not having side mounted cameras

The sectional appendix says 320/4's are route barred but not 320/3 - So I assume 320/4's are the ones without the DOO equipment?

 

[Scotrail314209]

The sectional appendix says 320/4's are route barred but not 320/3 - So I assume 320/4's are the ones without the DOO equipment?

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The 334s are permitted to operate due to the fact they have cameras on the side. The 318/320 do not and the drivers need to use monitors or mirrors to see. The stations between Airdrie and Edinburgh are not fitted with these so they cannot run in passenger service.

 

[CEN60]

The 334s are permitted to operate due to the fact they have cameras on the side. The 318/320 do not and the drivers need to use monitors or mirrors to see. The stations between Airdrie and Edinburgh are not fitted with these so they cannot run in passenger service.

Cheers for the info - Didn't know Airdrie - Bathgate doesn't have mirrors or monitors (I guess omitted to save costs at the time)

 

[Dfatcontroller]

Cheers for the info - Didn't know Airdrie - Bathgate doesn't have mirrors or monitors (I guess omitted to save costs at the time)

When the A2B line (re)opened; 318s and 320s didn't run to Bathgate at all, either in or out of service so mirrors/monitors were not required. So there wasn't really a cost saving and they just were not necessary.
Now 318s & 320s run to Bathgate for stabling (2x6cars each night). Running ECS each morning to start an Airdrie-Balloch.