Class 195 Wigan Wallgate

[polskism]

Does anyone know if any 195s still run on the Wigan Wallgate to Leeds route, or if infact any 195s have ever run to Wigan Wallgate? Thanks.

 

[Efini92]

Does anyone know if any 195s still run on the Wigan Wallgate to Leeds route, or if infact any 195s have ever run to Wigan Wallgate? Thanks.

They certainly had some in the sidings when they were new.

 

[jamiearmley]

I have taken a 195 from Leeds to Victoria (to continue onto Wigan).

So it has happened.

I seem to recall thinking how much nicer the usual 158x would have been.....

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Does anyone know if any 195s still run on the Wigan Wallgate to Leeds route, or if infact any 195s have ever run to Wigan Wallgate? Thanks.

They used to run when the service was Wigan - North Western to Leeds, typically a 3 car.
It was lost in the December 2022 timetable change, leaving my line with just Sprinters.
I like the 195's so its loss is unfortunate.
195's are cleared into Wigan Wallgate, but no futher

195s are cleared in passenger service into Wallgate, however no further towards either Kirkby or Southport.

 

[skyhigh]

They were booked to work the route (I think for just for a single timetable period from Dec 21-May 22?) but there's no booked work now.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

They were booked to work the route (I think for just for a single timetable period from Dec 21-May 22?) but there's no booked work now.

Definitely were still running to Dec 22 change.
In the May 22-Dec 22 timetable period it was diagram 713 Ignore the fact it's the Monday only version that's the one I copied and pasted, it's identical on the other weekdays.

DIAGRAM: NH 713 MO 195/1 LTP
Runs From: 16/05/2022 Until: 05/12/2022
Leeds - 06.17 2R82FA
Wigan NW - 08.39 08.54 2I07FA
Leeds - 11.03 11.17 2R92FA
Wigan NW - 13.35 13.53 2I17FA
Leeds - 16.02 16.17 2R82FB
Wigan NW - 18.37 18.53 2I07FB
Leeds - 21.04 21.42 1J05FB
Mancr Vic - 23.08 23.19 1J36FA
Leeds - 00.45 00+50 5J36MG
HolbeckLS - 01+00
MILES: (LD) 522:00 (ETY) 1:40 (TOT) 523:40

Searching for "195" I found that a double 195 might've ran down to Wigan on 28/7/2023, only time I'm aware of a double 195 running down my line. At the time it would've been timetabled to go into Wigan Wallgate.

A screenshot from WhatsApp showing texts from myself
"I just heard 195s leave"
[RTT screenshot showing 195023 and 195013], plus a now expired RTT link
"Looks like in some chaos double 195s got sent down here"

 

[polskism]

Definitely were still running to Dec 22 change.
In the May 22-Dec 22 timetable period it was diagram 713 Ignore the fact it's the Monday only version that's the one I copied and pasted, it's identical on the other weekdays.


Searching for "195" I found that a double 195 might've ran down to Wigan on 28/7/2023, only time I'm aware of a double 195 running down my line. At the time it would've been timetabled to go into Wigan Wallgate.

Ah that's a shame, wonder why they've made them go to Wallgate instead of North Western now though.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Ah that's a shame, wonder why they've made them go to Wallgate instead of North Western now though.

It was discussed in a thread back in March, where a decent number of reasons were brought, one such is below:

Two other reasons for the Leeds service going into Wallgate vs NW are that the Leeds service was suffering poor performance from Wigan due to a tight timetable across Station Junction to gain the Hindley line, it was regularly held for other services going into Wallgate. A financial implication is that Northern pay Avanti a station charge for services using NW, as everything from NW has to be dispatched, whereas Wallgate is self dispatch.
As someone has noted above there is also the turnaround time and timetable recovery aspects, in which having the unit run through Wallgate and sit in the down siding has helped performance - also capacity at NW isn't brilliant, especially when there's disruption somewhere else on the WCML and things get dumped at Wigan.

 

[polskism]

Ah, those are also probably why the Manchester Airports were diverted Via Chorley instead of Via Wigan aswell, thanks.

 

[pokemonsuper9]

Ah, those are also probably why the Manchester Airports were diverted Via Chorley instead of Via Wigan aswell, thanks.

It's also quicker to go Via Chorley, the trains (Cumbria-Manchester Airport) fit in stops at Bolton and Chorley and are still a few minutes quicker than going non-stop via Wigan (As a few trains per day still do)

 

[polskism]

It's also quicker to go Via Chorley, the trains (Cumbria-Manchester Airport) fit in stops at Bolton and Chorley and are still a few minutes quicker than going non-stop via Wigan (As a few trains per day still do)

The via wigan services stopped at Bolton anyway, no?

 

[pokemonsuper9]

The via wigan services stopped at Bolton anyway, no?

No, I think the via Wigan services went via Chat Moss (Eccles line)

Such as the first 195 I ever saw, an Airport - Windermere (13/8/2023), I recall its next stop being Wigan so we weren't allowed to get on.

 

[Bletchleyite]

The via wigan services stopped at Bolton anyway, no?

In the 1990s they did, but the more recent incarnation went via Chat Moss.