Class 175s to GWR

[Apedlar12]

Tomorrow there are several stp’s to & from Exeter originating from Laira.
Timed at 90mph I presume these are class 175’s?

Yes, these have been running for months now and have been 175s on crew training I believe, but I suspect now they are being used as the mileage runs instead.

 

[D6130]

Yes, these have been running for months now and have been 175s on crew training I believe, but I suspect now they are being used as the mileage runs instead.

Could they not be used for both at the same time? Killing two birds with one stone, so to speak.

 

[HOOVER29]

175003 currently working up from Laira to Exeter SD as 3E05 to start its mileage accumulation diagram of around 600 miles & about to pass my apartment at Dawlish Warren

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C05773/2026-09-14/detailed#allox_id=2

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175003 now working 2C05 Exeter SD to Penzance
Observed it arriving at Dawlish Warren
Originally planned to Paignton but working I believe was cancelled

Still it’s my first sighting of one down here

 

[REVUpminster]

175003 currently working up from Laira to Exeter SD as 3E05 to start its mileage accumulation diagram of around 600 miles & about to pass my apartment at Dawlish Warren

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:C05773/2026-09-14/detailed#allox_id=2

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175003 now working 2C05 Exeter SD to Penzance
Observed it arriving at Dawlish Warren
Originally planned to Paignton but working I believe was cancelled

Still it’s my first sighting of one down here

Often two units go up to Exeter; one for 2C05 and the other 5Z21 and training/mileage accumulation.

 

[HOOVER29]

Often two units go up to Exeter; one for 2C05 and the other 5Z21 and training/mileage accumulation.

Oh ok.
It was dark when it passed so couldn’t see clearly

 

[REVUpminster]

It looks like 112+113 came out of Laira together and 113 has gone passenger as 2E04, 112 as training/mileage on 5Z13 and 003 is doing 2C05

113-112 just passed the Saltash camera. Maybe 113 is not doing 2E04.

These two trains seem to have done Laira-Plymouth- Newton Abbot-Plymouth-Penzance-Plymouth.

2E04 showing cancelled on GWR notices.

 

[GoneSouth]

One? Might be an ambitious target.

It was said more in hope than expectation

 

[REVUpminster]

003 arrived platform 7 Plymouth on time as 2E11 changed to 5E11 and seems to have shunted to the dk platform. 5Z13, 113+112 arrive in platform 7 25 early

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It could be 003 is picking up the diagram as 2C32 at 1649 as it's still in the dk platform. Probably no crew so not a train problem.


Another site I use says the 24 September 2026 is earmarked as the next delivery from Wolverton.

 

[Express380]

003 arrived platform 7 Plymouth on time as 2E11 changed to 5E11 and seems to have shunted to the dk platform. 5Z13, 113+112 arrive in platform 7 25 early

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It could be 003 is picking up the diagram as 2C32 at 1649 as it's still in the dk platform. Probably no crew so not a train problem.

No crew quoted on Journey Check

 

[REVUpminster]

003 has shunted out of dk into platform 4 and taken up 2C32

 

[skyhigh]

The reliability figures are dire - period 4 Mp701D (miles per technical incident causing a delay of 3 or more minutes) was just 1006, period 5 fell to 999.

In comparison, class 185s were 11960 in period 5....

The 2025-26 Mp701D average for Era 2 DMU was 8680.

 

[XFeed]

The recurrence of several fires soon after the rebrand to TfW to me implies that new TfW/CAF staff somewhere didn't realise the importance of that modification to the maintenance plan and reversed it; with disastrous results.

The TfW rebrand from ATW to TfW happened well before the CAF era. Total nonsense that the CAF staff didn`t realise the importance of the cleaning regimes as we were the same staff that maintained them for over 20 years. I have conceded previously that things may have slipped slightly post Alstom, the cleaning regime was not the sole factor.

I think TfW (and maybe CAF, given the transfer of Chester depot to CAF from Alstom) need to take some of the blame too, as the class 175's reliability certainly appeared to nosedive sometime after TfW replaced ATW; even before TfW withdrew them.

I don`t think that you can put the blame at the TfW door as TfW were not the 175 maintenance provider Alstom and laterally CAF were.
Admittedly ATW and TfW bore the ultimate responsibility for their fleet.

 

[REVUpminster]

003 arrived Exeter on time to make the connection with the Bristol train so top marks.

112+113 have had a successful run out and arrived in Plymouth early. It was then supposed to shunt to dk 3, maybe to see a 6 car train in there. It hasn't so looks like it will go straight to Laira; been in platform 6 over 70 minutes.

 

[43096]

I don`t think that you can put the blame at the TfW door as TfW were not the 175 maintenance provider Alstom and laterally CAF were.
Admittedly ATW and TfW bore the ultimate responsibility for their fleet.

Just because something is contracted out doesn't give the contracting body a free pass. Need to be an "intelligent customer" and it is highly debatable if TfW are/were - see also the 230s.

 

[REVUpminster]

003+011 empty to Exeter, 011 to Paignton training, 003 takes up 2C05 which it did yesterday.

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2125hrs 003 still on diagram. 011 still running round. Also 112+113 been out and about. I suppose the mileage is allocated to both.

 

[XFeed]

Just because something is contracted out doesn't give the contracting body a free pass. Need to be an "intelligent customer" and it is highly debatable if TfW are/were - see also the 230s.

I did point out that whoever is/was the operator that the buck stops at their door for the safety of their fleet.
Angel accompanied by TfW regularly carried out audits of the whole 175 maintenance operation at Chester including fleet checks, compantcies of staff, observations of staff carrying out maintenance activities to the correct spec and procedures along with all associated paperwork.

 

[REVUpminster]

112+113 arrived Plymouth and again did not do the shunt dk3 and has gone to Laira; good runs today.
011 arrived Plymouth 30 late and went into dk3. it has reversed quite quickly for it's next run to Exeter 34 late.

011 is supposed to couple up with 003 which has arrived on time at Exeter and both return to Laira as 5P28.

The driver of 011 is really motoring through Dawlish and if the signaller had been a bit cuter could have let it through Dawlish Warren instead of letting it follow a stopping train there, Star Cross, and St Thomas.

 

[BayPaul]

Barnstaple

185s as they are released in 3/4 years could replace all the 150s and turbos leaving just two stocks in the South West instead of 5 that operate now on local trains (150, 158, 165, 166, 175, and the odd 800) and minimum infrastructure costs for 10 years before battery/electrics or whatever is the future by then.

185s wouldn't fit on Looe or Gunnislake branches as I understand it.
The 150s will probably need replacing by a new build train

 

[REVUpminster]

185s wouldn't fit on Looe or Gunnislake branches as I understand it.
The 150s will probably need replacing by a new build train

It's too tempting to cascade trains that have another 10 years at minimal cost. New build will go to London and the North first

When has there been a new build local train in the Southwest. Don't think it was 142s.143s, 150s; maybe 108s

 

[Roylang]

It's too tempting to cascade trains that have another 10 years at minimal cost. New build will go to London and the North first

When has there been a new build local train in the Southwest. Don't think it was 142s.143s, 150s; maybe 108s

142s were new build to the south-west and proved a disaster. Skipper livery then ended up transferring up north.

Roy

 

[BayPaul]

It's too tempting to cascade trains that have another 10 years at minimal cost. New build will go to London and the North first

When has there been a new build local train in the Southwest. Don't think it was 142s.143s, 150s; maybe 108s

But there's still the issue that it needs to fit!

24m carriages in multiple don't work on those two branches. I suspect a 3 carriage 755 might, or a 230, but otherwise you're limited to 150s or a single 153

 

[Roger B]

But there's still the issue that it needs to fit!

24m carriages in multiple don't work on those two branches. I suspect a 3 carriage 755 might, or a 230, but otherwise you're limited to 150s or a single 153

It would be interesting to contrast the cost of enhancing the infrastructure to take longer trains with the lifetime additional costs of a micro-fleet of shorter trains. Add in the potential for passesger growth, encouraging tourism, and relieving the strain on the congested local roadwork, and perhaps it's something Cornwall County Council should get behind?

 

[Harpo]

It would be interesting to contrast the cost of enhancing the infrastructure to take longer trains with the lifetime additional costs of a micro-fleet of shorter trains.

I doubt the DfT arm of the treasury (let’s be honest) would want to do that.

In much the same way as carting around tons of batteries or GUs on orherwise electric trains, more short trains are opex rather than capex and keep debt off the treasury’s balance sheet, PPI style.