That's still years away and will probably change multiple times before anyone even thinks about ordering paint.
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Class 175s to GWR
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That's still years away and will probably change multiple times before anyone even thinks about ordering paint.
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Anonymous10
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They also have said theres space for "better brands like gwr". Leaving room for regions i see.
TT-ONR-NRN
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The livery will start to be rolled out from Spring 2026, the DfT have said.
Oh I missed that.
That's shockingly quick, going off topic I know, but did they indicate what would be first?
Ashley Hill
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Guard opens/Guard shuts.
Rolling stock of TOCs that are still to be nationalised won't be done until they are in public ownership.
I would imagine, at a guess, that on launch day each nationalised company will unveil at least one unit in the new livery.
The service used to run in two parts. Cardiff to Taunton and Exeter or Plymouth to Penzance. The Cardiff end was mainly 150s. I'm not sure about Cornwall. The through service started during the short HST era. Even though I quite like 150s, Cardiff to Plymouth, let alone Penzance, is too long a journey on them.
I've not seen any plans (or even intentions) to nationalise ROSCO's in the foreseeable - have I missed something?
I didn’t mention the ROSCOs. It’s whether a TOC has been brought back into public ownership that will influence the timing of the commencement of fleet reliverying.
ollyexe2808
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I understood this comment to be that the livery of nationalised TOCs would be the first to change. As GWR nationalisation date is still TBC in 2026, the 175s aren't going to get GBR branding yet
Yes, exactly that!
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Do we really believe that every single loco and unit is going to be repainted into a GBR livery? Can you imagine how long that would take and the amount of money it would cost to complete? And that is before we consider that Southeastern have just completed a repaint* programme on the 376s, Northern have just repainted* a load of 323s, EMR are painting* their 158s & XC are repainting* the Voyagers (to name a few) - clearly there is no concern from any of them regarding this proposed new livery for GBR.
*I am using the word "paint" to indicate a change of colour not to mean they have their paintbrushes out. I am fully aware most will be vinyl as are everyone else on the forum - sorry pedants
Apologies John R. I misread your OP. Re-reading it again, it makes perfect sense.
Eventually, yes. A paint job (same proviso) doesn’t last for ever. There will be some that have to be done “now” for practical reasons or where the contract has already been signed. For others which are not quite at either of those stages , it makes sense to wait.Do we really believe that every single loco and unit is going to be repainted into a GBR livery? Can you imagine how long that would take and the amount of money it would cost to complete? And that is before we consider that Southeastern have just completed a repaint* programme on the 376s, Northern have just repainted* a load of 323s, EMR are painting* their 158s & XC are repainting* the Voyagers (to name a few) - clearly there is no concern from any of them regarding this proposed new livery for GBR.
*I am using the word "paint" to indicate a change of colour not to mean they have their paintbrushes out. I am fully aware most will be vinyl as are everyone else on the forum - sorry pedants
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By the time they get anywhere near having every single loco/unit in a GBR livery, another Government will be privatising the railways again
ExRes
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By the time they get anywhere near having every single loco/unit in a GBR livery, another Government will be privatising the railways again
I dare say that with the financial state this country is in that if the Government add to the so called 'Financial Black Hole' by painting trains then there could be politicians hanging from street lamps instead of flags
That aside perhaps the thread should return to the subject 'Class 175s to GWR' rather than plans for GBR wasting money on livery changes?
The_Train
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Fair point - we don't want the admin team on here having to waste more red ink on us
Ashley Hill
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175001 out again today on booked diagram.
REVUpminster
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175001 been down to Penzance training before it's passenger duties. 175003 also out and about.
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When might we see one in Exeter?
Probably in early 2026 on crew training/ familiarisation.
Out of interest could class 180 parts be theoretically used in class 175's as they are of the same family and a similar design.
Surely it would be useful to strip the off lease 180's at ely of parts and use them as 175 spares as the 175's aren't exactly the most reliable.
Surely it would be useful to strip the off lease 180's at ely of parts and use them as 175 spares as the 175's aren't exactly the most reliable.
BillStampy
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175008 has got you covered. Any usable parts (which is probably a fair few) will be used to keep the rest going. Not a bad shout about the 180s though, if anyone knows any more about if that's compatible please say.
There's not too much on the underframe of a 180's that's common to the 175's, given 008 can be stripped if required can't see Angel wanting the 180's stripped of parts yet.
I note many comments on here commending the comfort of 175 seats - and that’s clearly the case for most people, but I always found they leaned back a little further than was comfortable for me personally, and more than was the norm across UK rolling stock. When in wales I always preferred the (refurbished, i.e. current) 158 seats. A nice wide base and gently sloping back with a decent head rest. But I am someone on the larger side and I’m sure that’s a factor as well. Just my own experience, as I said, and I still think the 175s are great trains and will be planning a trip when a few more are in service!
Is 008 one of the units that caught fire in the late TFW days?
Express380
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Correct yes.
I assumed it was just another routine 175 engine fire, was it worse than the other numerous fires this fleet has suffered in the past then?
008 is 2 of the units that caught fire. The good coach was swapped with a fire damaged of 101.
The fire the actual coach from 008 had did appear pretty severe compared to most of the others. Having seen (and smelt) the burnt coach of 101 there wasn't much left in the vicinity of the engine that hadn't melted either.