Class 172 Refurbishment/Snow Hill Capacity

[train_lover]

Cab layout and the TMS.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Cab layout and the TMS.

Exactly what I was going to say. The cab layout pretty much the same as a 170. The 172/1s and 0s have a Bombardier train management system (MITRAC) which is used to monitor faults.

Surprised no-one has mentioned the removal of the DOO equipment yet. Looks like they’ve blanked over the places they used to be.

 

[centraltrains]

Surprised no-one has mentioned the removal of the DOO equipment yet. Looks like they’ve blanked over the places they used to be.

They did briefly!

Am I missing something or have they vinyled over or removed the DOO cameras

 

[train_lover]

Exactly what I was going to say. The cab layout pretty much the same as a 170. The 172/1s and 0s have a Bombardier train management system (MITRAC) which is used to monitor faults.

Surprised no-one has mentioned the removal of the DOO equipment yet. Looks like they’ve blanked over the places they used to be.

Correct a plate has been placed over the DOO screen.

 

[centraltrains]

I think more units from Ilford have moved up than discussed here.
100% sure I just saw 2 or 3 coupled together passing my train coming out of Moor Street just. (170 shaped ends and people in center), can't find on RTT though.
Then passing Tyseley, while I can't read the numbers, the count of 172s didn't match up with the 2 seen there (can't remember counts, will have to keep a more vigilant eye out tomorrow...

 

[centraltrains]

It seems that they have been spending about 6 weeks at Ilford for fitting of toilet etc.
This is my understanding (in chronological order), but I'm happy to be corrected.

172002: To Ilford July 2018. To Tyseley 22 Dec 2018.
172006: To Ilford Dec 2018(?). To Tyseley 26 Jan 2019.
172003: To Ilford Jan 2019. To Tyseley 29 Mar 2019.
172008: To Ilford 18 Feb 2019. To Tyseley 5 Apr 2019.
172005: To Ilford 18 Feb 2019. To Tyseley 12 Apr 2019.

The remaining 3 remained in service with LO until:
172001 + 172007: To Ilford 18 Mar 2019 (am).
172004: To Ilford 18 Mar 2019 (pm).
One or more of these may have moved to Tyseley yesterday (27 Apr) but this has yet to be confirmed.

003 and 008 are definitely in the new livery. There may be others.

People said 007 moved up.
Judy going past Tyseley, 004 was one of the 3 units in the near siding/road visible from passing. So maybe just 001 to go?

Edit: I was 100% sure as passing, but am now doubting my ability to read so don't take this as 100%!!

 

[DavidGrain]

Can I just sumerise what I think the situations will, so please correct me if I am wrong.

1 unit at Leamington for the Leamington-Coventry-Nuneaton service
1 unit at Coventry also for the Leamington-Coventry-Nuneaton service (although a WMR service I am assuming that it will be worked by LNR crews)
1 unit at Worcester for the Birmingham(New St)-Hereford service
5 units at Tyseley for the Snow Hill services and maintenance spare
I am assuming that the units will be rotated to bring the outstationed units back to Tyseley on a regular basis.

 

[sd0733]

According to a staff brief we have had today the first 172/0 will enter service on Tuesday on the 150 diagram, this may have been mentioned already.
From 19th may all 8 172s are in traffic, 2 on Leamington-Nuneaton, 2 on additional snow hill services and the others to release 172/2s
By the end of may all 172s and the 139s will be rebranded.

 

[HLE]

No units are to be stabled at Coventry during the week, only weekends from what we've been told.

The new Nuneaton to Leamington service will be worked by both Leamington & Coventry crews, unlike at present where both Nuneaton - Coventry and Coventry - Leamington shuttles are worked by Cov alone.

 

[craigybagel]

Can I just sumerise what I think the situations will, so please correct me if I am wrong.

1 unit at Leamington for the Leamington-Coventry-Nuneaton service
1 unit at Coventry also for the Leamington-Coventry-Nuneaton service (although a WMR service I am assuming that it will be worked by LNR crews)
1 unit at Worcester for the Birmingham(New St)-Hereford service
5 units at Tyseley for the Snow Hill services and maintenance spare
I am assuming that the units will be rotated to bring the outstationed units back to Tyseley on a regular basis.

As far as traincrew are concerned there haven't been divided into WMR and LNR yet. Several depots have work on both sides of the franchise.

 

[RealTrains07]

According to a staff brief we have had today the first 172/0 will enter service on Tuesday on the 150 diagram, this may have been mentioned already.
From 19th may all 8 172s are in traffic, 2 on Leamington-Nuneaton, 2 on additional snow hill services and the others to release 172/2s
By the end of may all 172s and the 139s will be rebranded.

It will be interesting to see the 139s when re-branded.

Good thing 172 training has started already on the Leamington to nuneton line

 

[Old Hill Bank]

According to a staff brief we have had today the first 172/0 will enter service on Tuesday on the 150 diagram, this may have been mentioned already.
From 19th may all 8 172s are in traffic, 2 on Leamington-Nuneaton, 2 on additional snow hill services and the others to release 172/2s
By the end of may all 172s and the 139s will be rebranded.

With the timetable enhancements from 20th May I am interested to know how many vehicles are required each day to deliver the Snow Hill Lines service and will it be all 172s or supplemented by 170s/153s.

 

[sufian123]

With the timetable enhancements from 20th May I am interested to know how many vehicles are required each day to deliver the Snow Hill Lines service and will it be all 172s or supplemented by 170s/153s.

172/0s will be replacing the class 170 diagrams

 

[XCTurbostar]

172/0s will be replacing the class 170 diagrams

Not sure where you’ve got that information from. It’s more likely that it’ll be covered by a mixture of all 172s.

 

[sufian123]

Not sure where you’ve got that information from. It’s more likely that it’ll be covered by a mixture of all 172s.

Yes that’s true. I’m guessing it makes more sense the 172/0s be used for 170/153 diagrams. (As other 172s weren’t never used). I might be wrong. Accept to be corrected.

 

[craigybagel]

With the timetable enhancements from 20th May I am interested to know how many vehicles are required each day to deliver the Snow Hill Lines service and will it be all 172s or supplemented by 170s/153s.

I suspect the 153s will be turning up as well. There's several getting displaced from Rugeley, Nuneaton/Leamington and Bletchley/Bedford. It looks like they're not going on Shrewsburys (I know Shrewsbury crews, as well as losing Walsall - Rugeley off their route cards have also been told they won't need to keep 153s on their traction cards) so it's going to need to be something on the Dark side - either Hereford or Snow Hill services. Unless they're planning on letting some go off lease straight away?

 

[sd0733]

Looking through departures from Tyseley during the day one rather unusual DMU working appears to be a shuttle to Birmimgham International in the evening peak. Looks to come ecs from Tyseley to form 1717 Birmingham New street to.international then back ecs to form a Hereford.

 

[HLE]

It will be interesting to see the 139s when re-branded.

Good thing 172 training has started already on the Leamington to nuneton line

Training is being done on the route down to Stratford for Cov, the trip the double set took last week was just checking platform heights.

 

[Class172]

Looking through departures from Tyseley during the day one rather unusual DMU working appears to be a shuttle to Birmimgham International in the evening peak. Looks to come ecs from Tyseley to form 1717 Birmingham New street to.international then back ecs to form a Hereford.

That seems to be a change relating to the introduction of the electric services of the Chase Line. The 1759 departure to Great Malvern currently is formed from an inbound working from Rugeley. In the new timetable the Rugeley-New St. service is extended to International using an EMU. This leaves the requirement to source a DMU for the 1759 service from Tyseley -- the only logical explanation I can think of regarding why it runs to International initially is that there isn't an available path through Bordesley/Grand Jct to arrive just before forming the Worcester-bound service, so to avoid having a unit hogging platform space at New St they send it out to International to use some time.

Just my thoughts, the real reason could be very different.

 

[Old Hill Bank]

That seems to be a change relating to the introduction of the electric services of the Chase Line. The 1759 departure to Great Malvern currently is formed from an inbound working from Rugeley. In the new timetable the Rugeley-New St. service is extended to International using an EMU. This leaves the requirement to source a DMU for the 1759 service from Tyseley -- the only logical explanation I can think of regarding why it runs to International initially is that there isn't an available path through Bordesley/Grand Jct to arrive just before forming the Worcester-bound service, so to avoid having a unit hogging platform space at New St they send it out to International to use some time.

Just my thoughts, the real reason could be very different.

I think we can expect some stuff on the WMR DMU turns from 20th May that we have not seen before. How about a pair of 153s on a Hereford job. I also suspect that RTT will see another iteration before the timetable change.

 

[craigybagel]

I think we can expect some stuff on the WMR DMU turns from 20th May that we have not seen before. How about a pair of 153s on a Hereford job. I also suspect that RTT will see another iteration before the timetable change.

I have indeed heard that 2 X 153s are mean to be going on a Hereford diagram. I hate to think how slow they'll be going up Lickey.....

 

[Sprinter107]

Certainly no slower than a 170.

 

[Class172]

According to values published in this thread, this is how the classes compare for 0-60mph times (I’ve included the 323s as comparison since they share track with the Hereford services):

Class 323: 51s
Class 172: 83s
Class 170: 114s
Class 153: 156s

This at least would suggest 153s will be slower off the mark.

 

[Sprinter107]

Over been driving all the types for years. 2 X 153s will take off quicker than a 170.

 

[Sprinter107]

Typo error. Sorry. I've been driving the diesel types mentioned for years and 2X 153s will take off quicker than a 170.

 

[Sprinter107]

Should one of those 153s drop an engine, they will still climb the Lickey, albeit very slowly. A 2 car 170 that drops an engine will not. It will have to be assisted. Yes, I speak from experience of both happening.

 

[Sprinter107]

That's from a standing start from Bromsgrove, I should've mentioned.

 

[Aictos]

Looking through departures from Tyseley during the day one rather unusual DMU working appears to be a shuttle to Birmimgham International in the evening peak. Looks to come ecs from Tyseley to form 1717 Birmingham New street to.international then back ecs to form a Hereford.

Why not just have it start the Hereford service from International?

 

[DavidGrain]

I recently travelled on a 153 on the back of a 172/3. I presume therefore that the driver would have controlled his acceleration to allow for this.

 

[RealTrains07]

Should one of those 153s drop an engine, they will still climb the Lickey, albeit very slowly. A 2 car 170 that drops an engine will not. It will have to be assisted. Yes, I speak from experience of both happening.

Yes but we are talking about a 172, a much newer train compared to a 170