Churnet Valley

[gazthomas]

May I respectfully suggest you read the whole original article ?

I agree wholeheartedly with your recommendation!

 

[AndrewE]

May I respectfully suggest you read the whole original article ?

I agree wholeheartedly with your recommendation!

I did, but the fact remains that for a lot of people it's a half-day excursion. Reflects the statistic quoted by the National Park that half the population of England are within an hour's travel of the Peak District, or something like that.

 

[vlad]

The Telegraph lists the Churnet Valley Railway as one of the most magnificent rail journeys you can do in a day.

When they say "between the Peak District and Alton Towers" they're right - the line doesn't go anywhere near either.

 

[Shenandoah]

I wonder how the CVR is considering this and how could it affect their future plans?
What is the NR viewpoint I wonder?
http://publicaccess.staffsmoorlands.gov.uk/portal/servlets/ApplicationSearchServlet?PKID=128217

 

[Ash Bridge]

Is this proposed development not on the field alongside the railway opposite the station? Can't see that it would affect the station in any way, the entrance to which is on the otherside of the line unless I'm missing something?

 

[gazthomas]

If you look at the attachments Network Rail have already objected, with access being one of the issues

 

[Ash Bridge]

If you look at the attachments Network Rail have already objected, with access being one of the issues

Ah yes, for some reason I couldn't open the attachments initially but just tried again with success, I see Network Rail also suspects their boundary amongst other things has been encroached on in the plans also!

 

[Worf]

Judging by the fact that the developer doesnt appear to own half the land and also that it on a flood plain, I cant see it getting approval anyway. At least they have caught it in time, unlike what happened in East Leake on the GCR.

 

[Shenandoah]

It seems the that eyes are on the ball here. It would be a pity for the CVR to have problems with their future plans, which, as far as I see, are quite feasible.

 

[E759]

That's what Traveline suggests too. I like https://www.traveline.info/ because you can just give it an origin like [SOT] and a destination postcode and it covers almost all the conceivable options. You can tell it how far you are prepared to walk, too. When there are lots of bus routes you could use it's very useful, especially in a city you don't know.

Looks like from SOT the 25 to Hanley then 16 to Station Road Cheddleton and a walk along the canal to Cheddleton station is a good option Monday to Saturday. Has anyone done this route recently?

 

[HaggisBotherer]

Judging by the fact that the developer doesnt appear to own half the land and also that it on a flood plain, I cant see it getting approval anyway.

Visit Kingsnorth (just outside Ashford) in Kent to see that being on a flood plain makes absolutely no difference to planners or developers. If any problems arise, the developers refer homeowners foolish enough to buy properties in such locations to the builders, the builders refer them back and the homeowner spends several years and a lot of angst trying to get someone - anyone - to provide a resolution.

And there seems to be no shortage of buyers, who don't appear to notice that their nice, shiny new development is even on a flood plain... then wonder why a few years later their carpets have been ruined.

 

[furnessvale]

Visit Kingsnorth (just outside Ashford) in Kent to see that being on a flood plain makes absolutely no difference to planners or developers. If any problems arise, the developers refer homeowners foolish enough to buy properties in such locations to the builders, the builders refer them back and the homeowner spends several years and a lot of angst trying to get someone - anyone - to provide a resolution.

And there seems to be no shortage of buyers, who don't appear to notice that their nice, shiny new development is even on a flood plain... then wonder why a few years later their carpets have been ruined.

I had to smile at such a buyer on the TV complaining bitterly at his predicament.

The name of the new street he lived on? "Water Meadows"!

 

[James H]

Judging by the fact that the developer doesnt appear to own half the land and also that it on a flood plain, I cant see it getting approval anyway.

Land ownership is irrelevant when it comes to planning permission.

Anyone can seek planning permission for any land. Applicants do have to notify the owner, but not owning the land isn't a bar to receiving permission.

 

[vlad]

Looks like from SOT the 25 to Hanley then 16 to Station Road Cheddleton and a walk along the canal to Cheddleton station is a good option Monday to Saturday. Has anyone done this route recently?

That's the least attractive part of the Caldon Canal outside Stoke-on-Trent - it passes an industrial estate for pretty much the entire length. It's straightforward to follow, though.

Note that there are lots of different buses that run between Stoke station and Hanley, not just the 25. If you get a D&G service (2, 9, 14; there may be others) then you could get a network ticket rather than paying twice. However, it's under 20 minutes' walk so if you're mobile that's also an option.

If travelling by bus I find getting the 32 to Kingsley then walking down to the station is more attractive - but bear in mind it's pretty steep and uphill on the way back!

 

[E759]

That's the least attractive part of the Caldon Canal outside Stoke-on-Trent - it passes an industrial estate for pretty much the entire length. It's straightforward to follow, though.

Note that there are lots of different buses that run between Stoke station and Hanley, not just the 25. If you get a D&G service (2, 9, 14; there may be others) then you could get a network ticket rather than paying twice. However, it's under 20 minutes' walk so if you're mobile that's also an option.

If travelling by bus I find getting the 32 to Kingsley then walking down to the station is more attractive - but bear in mind it's pretty steep and uphill on the way back!

thanks vlad. just "walked" the A52 on street view from Kingsley to the Railway and the section without a footpath doesn't look good to me at all. although its only 200-250m? Not as steep as the route from Haworth station to The Parsonage

 

[STEVIEBOY1]

Do they still sometimes run trains towards Ipstones/Cauldon Lowe?

 

[furnessvale]

Land ownership is irrelevant when it comes to planning permission.

Anyone can seek planning permission for any land. Applicants do have to notify the owner, but not owning the land isn't a bar to receiving permission.

Hence the current issues over the proposed freight terminal at St Albans.

 

[Worf]

Land ownership is irrelevant when it comes to planning permission.

Anyone can seek planning permission for any land. Applicants do have to notify the owner, but not owning the land isn't a bar to receiving permission.

Whilst this is true, it doesnt give the seeker any right to actually develop the land, and if approved merely enhances the value of the owners land at someone elses expense. NR appear to have enough other objections to kill it anyway.

 

[Worf]

Hence the current issues over the proposed freight terminal at St Albans.

I think this case is slightly different, in that the land in question is currently owned by the County Council, who have a legal duty to their taxpayers, so they must consider purchase options on their (actually the taxpayers) land/property. As far as I am aware, this does not apply to NR.

 

[Scrotnig]

Do they still sometimes run trains towards Ipstones/Cauldon Lowe?

Yes...they did so yesterday and I was on it.

Though, only as far as Ipstone these days. The track between Ipstones and Cauldon Lowe was lifted a couple of years ago, for reasons that are never fully explained. Cauldon Lowe has been airbrushed from history. See also the Froghall to Oakamoor section.

 

[trebor79]

A shame that they lifted those sections. I remember when the CVR first started it sounded a but different, in that it was a proper network of lines rather than a short section from nowhere to nowhere like most other preserved lines. They had grand plans at one stage
I guess it was just too much to maintain. Wish I'd visited back in the day.

 

[HaggisBotherer]

I had to smile at such a buyer on the TV complaining bitterly at his predicament.

The name of the new street he lived on? "Water Meadows"!

Just... mind boggling. I often get called 'misanthropic' for voicing that I never underestimate the ability of homo sapiens to be profoundly stupid. But really, how much more obvious could the example you've quoted be?

 

[Shenandoah]

Just... mind boggling. I often get called 'misanthropic' for voicing that I never underestimate the ability of homo sapiens to be profoundly stupid. But really, how much more obvious could the example you've quoted be?

Years in retail and as a retained firefighter gave me very many occasions to doubt some peoples intelligence. I wondered, in many cases, how they ever managed to get to an adult age - maybe they had a lot of help? Worse still was the recognition that a) these people could vote in elections and more seriously they were liable to be called for jury service.
How many times had I heard "Oh! the other man (or woman) said" - something you knew was highly unlikely. More illustrations would take hours to relate.