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50002Superb
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I thought Wabtec was ceasing to do work?
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It is. But it is anticipated that this will not affect the work being undertaken on the 165s.
CR165022
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165001 and 003 are there for the first time currently but 015 already went last year and has gone back from a second time for some reason.
008, 011, 019 & 020 have done the same and gone back for a 2nd time.
008, 011, 019 & 020 have done the same and gone back for a 2nd time.
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I thought so.
It will likely be follow up work, no doubt, possibly depending on when they were in the original order (maybe they were early on in the process) or just a second round of works for something else.
I'm sure someone will be along shortly...
Thanks for the updates, though. Always good to keep track of how much stock is away at works!
CR165022
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It's possible that 165005 or 165017 may have taken 165003s place as the Aylesbury Christmas Tree, as 005 hasn't been out since late July, bar a reduced speed move from Wembley a few days ago, and 017 hasn't been out since 2nd August
CR165022
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Yep, 005.
I did wonder if it was on skates considering how the move was supposed to take 4 hours, but it ended up only taking 2 hours, so I presumed it was just running at reduced speed and not on skates?
Edit: 165005 is back in service this morning, so can only assume its 017 that will be out long term now.
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In the light of the announcement regarding the seats on Thameslink trains can we expect a similar "blowing our own trumpet" announcement from the minister following the imminent transfer of Chiltern to public ownership? No doubt they will flag up the new blue sets and refurbs to the Class 168 units but what about the Class 165 units which are in a poor state but continue to do sterling service on Oxford services.A speeding up of the refurbishment which is the subject of this thread would be the best we can hope for I guess.She could of course ask Lord Hendy to bring forward his rolling stock strategy which impacts Chiltern,GWR and others but we can but dream.
CR165022
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While speeding up the returbs would be great, doesn't work that way and they've not even started yet!
I've not even heard anything more about it actually happening in the first place
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No new 165 heading off to Doncaster today, only 009 going back for its second round. 165003 is still there and only 165001/010 returned today.
I've not even heard anything more about it actually happening in the first place
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No new 165 heading off to Doncaster today, only 009 going back for its second round. 165003 is still there and only 165001/010 returned today.
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CR165022
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Once again, no new 165 to Doncaster today, only 165012 going back for the 2nd time. Only 165009 returning so 003 remains there.
CR165022
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10/09 Doncaster Swap:
005 & 021 heading off, 005 for its first, 021 for its second round, only 012 returning to Banbury meaning 003 is *still* there.
Does anyone know why 003 is taking so long at Doncaster? Obviously it's been OOU for over 2 years but surely it doesn't require *that* much work in comparison to the others?
005 & 021 heading off, 005 for its first, 021 for its second round, only 012 returning to Banbury meaning 003 is *still* there.
Does anyone know why 003 is taking so long at Doncaster? Obviously it's been OOU for over 2 years but surely it doesn't require *that* much work in comparison to the others?
chiltern trev
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Are GWR 165s getting tripcocks ? I guess not.
warwickshire
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No, Gwr units dont run on the shared Metropolitian line between Harrow on the Hill and Amersham.
I seem to also recall tripcocks mean that yaw dampers can't be installed so limit units to 75mph. GWR turbos are all 90mph.
CR165022
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Todays moves:
165028 to Doncaster, 165021 back to Banbury, still no sign of 003 going back
165028 to Doncaster, 165021 back to Banbury, still no sign of 003 going back
sabanda
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Sounds as though the 165s are due to start receiving GBR vinyls during maintenance. Second-hand info though, so don’t be too quick to shoot the messenger!
CR165022
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I seriously hope they don't! Don't want another fleet plagued by that livery
One of each, maybe? 165 and 168.
TT-ONR-NRN
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If it's during maintenance it'll be all of them, won't it. All that haven't already been for the maintenance anyway.
CR165022
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Is 165003 the first unit to be undergoing refurbishment of something because once again it hasn't returned from Doncaster today, with only 005/028 coming back. It's been there for 6 weeks now!
Chiltern 165
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I would expect it to only be a single unit - that’s what they are doing for most trains.
50002Superb
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Given how long it’s been out of action and probably how much was robbed from it I would be surprised if it’s back anytime soon.
Would it make sense to remove the third seat on the set of 3s, so that these become 2 by 2, like most commuter trains these days, improving space etc. Newer trains which cover similar distances tend to have this arrangement and given that the 165s mostly run the shorter services, would that help?
TT-ONR-NRN
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I don't believe you can, in the middle of a 165 or 166's coaches, without requiring major reconstruction work down below. I remember someone in the know making that clear when the 3+2 layout was being complained about for GWR Cardiff Portsmouth.
CR165022
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2+2 is possible on the turbos but not with the current seats they have. 165013 was trialled with 2+2 in the middle section many years ago.
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Interior of 165013
165013 was used as a demonstrator for the various opions on offer for the class 165/0 fleet refurbishment. This section of DMOSL 58813 was fitted with new 2 by 2 seating with small tables. 3rd November 2004.
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The coolant header tanks are the issue, hence why the Chiltern examples have the 2+2 in the ends, but retained the 3+2 in the middle. A unit was trialled, 013 I believe, but it stayed just that.
Bletchleyite
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2+2 is possible on the turbos but not with the current seats they have. 165013 was trialled with 2+2 in the middle section many years ago.
Interior of 165013
165013 was used as a demonstrator for the various opions on offer for the class 165/0 fleet refurbishment. This section of DMOSL 58813 was fitted with new 2 by 2 seating with small tables. 3rd November 2004.
I seem to recall the mixed layout was because surveys said some people preferred 2+2 and some people preferred there being more seats, so they did a bit of both. I think it probably saved money on moving underseat kit, too.