MerlinRail 804
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Does anyone know when the Chiltern 165 refresh is expected to start? Or have I missed something!
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Chiltern 165/0 refresh
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MerlinRail 804
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Oh ok. Interesting that they said it would be feb 25 around this time last year
TT-ONR-NRN
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They’re also by far the shortest units to operate a regular commuter service in and out of London. They’re quite embarrassing.
Maybe it is just luck but all of the 165s that i have ridden on Chiltern recently have been in perfectly acceptable condition. They did not seem particularly knackered. They were a million times better condition than the appalling 1972 Stock and 1992 Stock trains.
Single two coach 171s on their own appear on London Bridge to Uckfield workings fairly often. Especially in the evenings. So it is not just Chiltern running two coach trains on London commuter routes.
Either I'm unlucky or you're just lucky but I have been on a few Chiltern 165's recently that seem to have had a few seat bottoms nicked off them and have had clapped out PIS speakers.
Never seen that on the GWR side of things on the ones based at Reading. No idea what conditions the Bristol and Exeter turbos are in though
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New floors, seat covers, LED lighting and some work in the toilets.
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
New above door grab poles where people have bent them by swinging on them, I wonder? A few are like that.
Also some 3rd seats visibly bent downwards.
I've not used a Chiltern 165 in about 15 years, last time I did they were in a decent condition, I'm guessing they haven't seen much TLC in the intervening years?
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Clearly not, some of them are in a right state. Clearly it's poor design to have seats in 3+2 that start collapsing if kids jump up and down on them and grab poles that bend if someone does pull-ups on them (the former is a worry I have about cantilever seats long term, particularly 3+2 ones, plus yet another fault of the 777s is that the tip-up seats are already collapsing and no longer sit level, presumably similarly because of kids using them as trampolines) but whether it's poor design or poor implementation it does need fixing.
birchesgreen
Established Member
I saw 165 033 heading north through Derby last week, part of the refurb programme or something else?
Apparently it's gone to Doncaster Wabtec , no ideas why though.
MerlinRail 804
Member
I swear they’re doing the refurb at ATC Bristol aren’t they?
CR165022
Established Member
The 165s, both Chiltern and GWR, are cycling through Doncaster for other work, not refurb related, I believe it's underframe work?
warwickshire
On Moderation
Yes it is, including new tripcocks as well,
MerlinRail 804
Member
Is the refresh still planned to happen at some point? I guess they’ve got a lot going on at the moment with the 168 refurb, Mk5s, EWR, etc
CR165022
Established Member
I can imagine it'll start once all of the 165s have cycled through Doncaster
MerlinRail 804
Member
Ah yes that makes sense. How far through that are they?
BurtonM
Member
Very interested to see how these refreshes come out, if they're even half decent I'd like to know what Northern's excuse is for the (lack of) quality on the 150 refurbs.
CR165022
Established Member
Not refresh related but didn't think it needed its own thread. Is there something wrong with 165004? It's only been on the Aylesbury/Princes Risborough shuttles for nearly 3 weeks now, surely it can't be good for it to be stuck doing those lower speed journeys for that long?
It could be likely to encounter an issue, so they wish to keep it nearby / on not too strenuous work?
sabanda
Member
Just wondering whether I've missed any confirmation of a start date for this?
CR165022
Established Member
I'd assume it would get started after they've all finished cycling through Doncaster for underframe work, so that there isn't too many units out at once? There's 14 left to go through Doncaster.
sabanda
Member
Many thanks. Do you know roughly how long said underframe work takes per unit?
CR165022
Established Member
Exactly two weeks, 165025 is the one currently there, swapped over from 165024 last Thursday and will come back next Thursday for another one to go
sabanda
Member
Thank you!
fodphil
Member
165024 back in traffic today
fodphil
Member
Long term OOS 165003 went to Wabtec Doncaster last week.